samhill wrote:OK ! I hope you`ll forgive me here, I`m not as well schooled as others here butI suggested that Bush was telling an un-truth about the re-enforced caves in Afganistan. You said that they were indeed there & were infact destroyed by Clinton by a unknown type of flying object. I still don`t believe they ever were there. But what your telling me is that we didn`t find what was there but was destroyed by us at a earlier time by another Pres. & then used by Bush as propaganda as to why we couldn`t find O.B.L. Now I`m really confused about truth & un-true. Guess I better go see some movies.
By the way that was only 1 of my questions but please don`t address the others I have a headache.
Clinton destroyed ONE
of the camps the CIA built to train fighters against the Soviet Union. OBL being one of those trainees. You don't have to "believe" they were there, they were there.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of BHO's current
policy advisors, and former Carter administration member said this about his and Carter's involvement in luring the USSR into an Afgan war.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
And this man has the ear of the president. Get ready for a war with Iran!
But don't think it would be any different with an R in the office. Carroll Quigley, a mentor to Bill Clinton said:
"The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and more international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right, and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. The policies that are vital and necessary for America are no longer subjects of significant disagreement, but are disputable only in terms of procedure, priority and method..."
....in his book "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time"
Your government is involved with things you would be horrified with. The information is out there, if you want to look.