I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:46 am

RAT otherwise known as the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board

http://www.dcexaminer.com/politics/The-RAT-hiding-deep-inside-the-stimulus-bill-39805642.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

I'm so glad Dear Leader and his friends are looking out for us.....I feel all squishy inside. Who can NOT trust this new form of Government.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:49 am

You simply have to laugh at the real acronyms...

R.A.T.

T.A.R.P.


Some made up funny ones.....

F.R.E.E.M.O.N.I. = Federal Relief for Emergency Extrication of Mortgage Owning National Institutions

T.O.O.L.A.T.E. = Treasurey Office Of Lending Assistance to Troubled Entities

S.O.B. = Social Ownership of Banks
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:53 am

It would actually be funny if it weren't so damn Orwellian.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:19 pm

Funny how "Orwellian" ain't so good when it's this instead of the "USA Patriot Act." :roll:

Nonetheless, it'll be interesting to see where this came from.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:51 pm

Funnier how no citizen got hurt from the Patriot Act.

Do you think we'll be able to say the same about this crap?
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:19 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Funnier how no citizen got hurt from the Patriot Act.

:wtf: Are you serious?

Ever heard of "sneak and peek?"

Guarantee you one thing: if the Dems were violating your 4th Amendment rights, you'd be screaming bloody murder.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: gaw On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:28 pm

stockingfull wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:Funnier how no citizen got hurt from the Patriot Act.

:wtf: Are you serious?

Ever heard of "sneak and peek?"

Guarantee you one thing: if the Dems were violating your 4th Amendment rights, you'd be screaming bloody murder.


Ever hear of John and Alice Martin?
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:37 pm

Just found them. The people who intercepted Newt's conference call with a scanner back in 1997, the Dark Ages of analog cellphones. So what?
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: gaw On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:11 pm

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/story.aspx?id=213580

Julie McConnell, has been charged with Gross Misconduct for allegedly making an improper inquiry into a state database in search of information pertaining to Samuel Wurzelbacher on Oct. 16.



The Dems are in control, Obama is steering the ship so repeal the Patriot Act. Simple enough.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:19 pm

Stocking I gave the Link.

The Martins? oh you just blow it off like nothing ever happened. Jesus, the NY used to bury articles about the Holocaust in tiny little spots on page 6, does that make it any less important?

Read the article I posted, does that fit your image of good government or does it fit your views of Mao and how it should be here?

Ok...look, Lemme put it this way. I agreed with what BUSH did in the name of tracking terrorists, I do, I did and I freely admit that I wanted terror suspects to be wire tapped. I also admit that I thought/think those that opposed it were either blatant BUSH haters and would pick on him no matter what, or people who could care less if we were attacked so it would look bad for BUSH.

For Obama or his surrogates to stuff into this bill...The board would oversee the in-house watchdogs, known as inspectors general, whose job is to independently investigate allegations of wrongdoing at various federal agencies, without fear of interference by political appointees or the White House.

You are a lawyer ( or at least play one on the Internet :) ) Can you not step aside and say: Jeeeze the Inspector general is supposed to freely without intimidation investigate improper actions in at the highest levels of government, to stop Absolute Power in a Democracy. Isn't that what Inspector Generals did for the LAST 8 yrs in calling out every move BUSHCO did? Obama bringing in the Census under WhiteHouse control, the elimination of the UNION complaint review Commision and now this.

Your turn.....
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:31 pm

Your link had nothing to do with John and Alice Martin.

Inspectors General are supposed to be internal watchdogs within the government. Obviously they must therefore report to somebody. Looks like the bill may have changed that in some way.

I still don't see that as having any equivalency to what some private citizens did in pirating an analog cell-phone signal in 1997, one way or the other. I do remember that, around that time, we "pretend lawyers" were counseled that the amount of privacy to be expected in conducting business via cell phone was approximately equivalent to having the discussion in the middle of Grand Central Terminal. (For you, Ed, that meant "Don't do it.") So I have little sympathy for Newt and Boehner and the boyz for A$$-U-ming that their conversation would be confidential. They were morons then, they still are.

But back to the Inspectors General. If the Bill changes the line of authority for them, the change will have pros and cons, and Chuck Grassley will have questions, and we'll find out more.

But I would never expect that to stop you from screaming about it before any information was developed about the details.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:31 pm

In other words, we (the libtards) now control every aspect of Government so bow before us or suffer the Consequences.

Welcome to Winston Smiths world.
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:49 pm

Ed.A wrote:Ok...look, Lemme put it this way. I agreed with what BUSH did in the name of tracking terrorists, I do, I did and I freely admit that I wanted terror suspects to be wire tapped. I also admit that I thought/think those that opposed it were either blatant BUSH haters and would pick on him no matter what, or people who could care less if we were attacked so it would look bad for BUSH.



Let me ask a simple question here Ed, & this goes for everyone who thinks..."I'm not a terrorist.....I don't care if the government taps MY phone without a warrant....I got nothing to hide."

Let's say you are talking with your friend & you happen to mention that your doctor found an irregular heart beat & is concerned. One month later, you boss calls you in & tells you they have to let you go for........performance issues. (but you subsequently find out, from as friend in personnel that the REAL reason you were fired was due to you heart problem. Far Fetched?...trust me it isn't. How about if suddenly your health & life insurance rates go up?....How about you mention on the phone something about what your brother did when he was in college...& suddenly he finds himself under police surveillance.
If you think these things can't happen....especially under an unsupervised government....You are just really naive & at risk!
When the government starts to break the law....Who you gonna call? (right....Ghostbusters! :lol: )
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:02 am

From the dcexaminer.com article linked on the top post
When Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, a longtime champion of inspectors general, read the words “conduct or refrain from conducting,” alarm bells went off. The language means that the board — whose chairman will be appointed by the president — can reach deep inside a federal agency and tell an inspector general to lay off some particularly sensitive subject. Or, conversely, it can tell the inspector general to go after a tempting political target.


Devil505 wrote:If you think these things can't happen....especially under an unsupervised government....You are just really naive & at risk!
When the government starts to break the law....Who you gonna call? (right....Ghostbusters! :lol: )

:shock: :?
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Re: I know, It's the LAW...so I shouldn't question it

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:16 am

gaw wrote:When Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, a longtime champion of inspectors general, read the words “conduct or refrain from conducting,” alarm bells went off. The language means that the board — whose chairman will be appointed by the president — can reach deep inside a federal agency and tell an inspector general to lay off some particularly sensitive subject. Or, conversely, it can tell the inspector general to go after a tempting political target.


Sounds pretty damned dangerous to me........But.....No administration would stoop so low as to do that.............Right?? :fear:

( or elected officials (from big business....going BACK to big business in 4-8 years) who would sell or give government info from wiretaps to their business buddies.......nah.....Could NEVER happen! ;) )
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