taxing miles driven

taxing miles driven

PostBy: gambler On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:07 pm

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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: Matthaus On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:22 pm

Rick, it's another example of the "other shoe dropping". Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride, now that we committed $800B of money we don't have to fuel the tax and spend machine... bend over and get ready for the tax part..... I recommend everyone flood your local representatives office with Emails and whatever else you can do on each one of these crazy ideas that you become aware of! :mad:
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:46 pm

Matthaus wrote:Rick, it's another example of the "other shoe dropping". Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride, now that we committed $800B of money we don't have to fuel the tax and spend machine... bend over and get ready for the tax part..... I recommend everyone flood your local representatives office with Emails and whatever else you can do on each one of these crazy ideas that you become aware of! :mad:


Can you believe this! Just this morning I had yet another friend who voted for BHO tell me how shocked, shocked, she was that BHO was doing this! He wasn't like that during the campaign. I just laughed because he was exactly like this if anyone cared to look. The "chickens are coming home to roost" just listen to the new AG. Lisa
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: billw On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:25 pm

Substituting a tax per mile driven as opposed to the current tax on gallons purchased rewards the gas guzzlers and penalizes the high MPG vehicle owners. Sounds like they are trying to fill the tax hole that will be created by hybrids and plug in electrics. There will be thousands of cars with their speedometers, odometers disconnected if this passes. What a bunch of A holes.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: djackman On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:00 pm

billw wrote:There will be thousands of cars with their speedometers, odometers disconnected if this passes.


Good luck driving a modern car with the speed sensor disconnected. ECM isn't usually to happy about that.

But soon enough they'll do it for you:

The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.


Just like cell phone GPS, another way for LE to track you. Something which both parties can't resist.

If you live in a metro area and are driving around with an ez-pass permanantly on your windshield you're giving them this info right now. Mine's under the seat unless going thru a toll.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:23 pm

If you live in a metro area and are driving around with an ez-pass permanantly on your windshield you're giving them this info right now. Mine's under the seat unless going thru a toll.


Unless it is in a shielded bag, it's still talking to the receivers around and about. There are numerous stories out there about EZ passes being mailed back and continuing to ring up charges when the shipping vehicle passes through a toll gate.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:46 pm

The miles driven tax is nothing new, it`s been discussed for years but being that it would hurt inflation I don`t think it has much of a chance. It was discussed as to have heavier vehicles pay more so all the trucking co.s would just pass it along as they did the higher priced fuel but prices never went down when fuel did. And the price of fuel would go even higher to make up for the tax that was removed. There`s also talk of a conjested area charge along with a peak traffic tax. If our rep.s would put half the time in figureing how to cut spending we wouldn`t need the taxes.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:25 pm

Miles driven will also screw those of us that live way out in the netherlands. Of course there are not many people out here so it will not bother them to screw us. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Another good reason to become part of Canada. Hey, then I can get that free health care that waits until you die, declares you dead, and tells your family you should have gone to the US and payed for it yourself.


Sorry, off topic. :oops:

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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: djackman On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:39 pm

tvb wrote:Unless it is in a shielded bag, it's still talking to the receivers around and about. There are numerous stories out there about EZ passes being mailed back and continuing to ring up charges when the shipping vehicle passes through a toll gate.


If I pull up to a toll with it under the seat - no read. But you do have a good point, can't hurt.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: Paulie On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:24 pm

Just raise the motor fuel tax and be done with it. Do not need big brother or reinvent the wheel.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:21 pm

The news speakers say that the initial target tax would be one quarter cent per mile. I am asking myself just how long it would stay at that rate.It would be just like school taxes ,every time they need more money they just tweak the rate and sock it to us.This is one time each and every one of us has got to get our back up and petition our so called representation to vote No. They would never allow this monster to get to a referendum!! This administration is riding us into the ground already and it is only in tenure little more than a month.Just you wait ,they are only getting started. Mike
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: gaw On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:35 pm

I believe a pay per mile based on vehicle weight is the most appropriate way to fund the highways. In a perfect world we would just honestly report our mileage to the state agency and pay our “toll due” but because this is not a perfect world that will not work. I do not think the government has any business putting GPS on our vehicles to monitor our movements and if they want to tax our miles will they take all the taxes off of gas and diesel? I don’t think so. The system we have now has worked for all these years. If the clowns in Washington would just quit spending money like drunken sailors (apologies to any real drunken sailors) on other BS we could have decent roads.

Side note; Trucks have been required to report mileage driven in all states for many years. Generally points of entry and exit from the state are recorded and total miles driven in each state as well as weight for some states. Reports are made quarterly to each state and fuel purchased in a state can be used to offset any tax due for mileage. Generally miles driven on toll roads are not taxed. The idea of taxing you for miles driven is not new and is going on right now.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: Matthaus On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:31 pm

The problem with this idea is the problem with most of the ideas of the new way of doing govt. in the USA (IMO this is not limited to the current administration), it lacks enforceability at reasonable cost, it will require more government and large outlays of tax dollars to enforce (plus what do you want to bet that the GPS related electronics lobby has a hand in this).

If government was required to do the business case for each new tax plan most of them would be eliminated, it doesn't make sense to create new agencies and oversight under the guise of collecting revenue to fund specific projects. Let's face it the tax system will never be fair but the IRS is a great example of my statement of the problem, once in place it only grows, no self respecting govt. agency would volunteer to put themselves out of business in favor of efficiency. There should be a standard like we apply to charities, X% of tax collected must go directly to the project, overhead would be limited to some low number like 5%, this alone would free up billions and would put more than half of the govt back into the private sector.

So all I'm saying is that IMO our best course of action is to collect the revenue needed with as little overhead as possible and not one single additional govt employee allowed. :P :idea:
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:20 pm

Thats what he gets for giving a job to a bipartisan. The press secretary said that the miles driven tax is not part of this adminstration nor will it be. Every time anything is said everything gets out of hand before it`s looked into. I do agree that once a tax is here it`s here forever, I can`t remember the amount but part of the Pa. gas tax is to help the Johnstown flood victims but then again it more than likely hasn`t trickled down that far yet.
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Re: taxing miles driven

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:01 pm

Just bigger government, more overhead and more patronage!
Keep the gas tax, a tax per gallon.
It promotes efficiency but lets you drive whatever you want if you can afford it.
I put 25k/yr on my truck and will not give up the comfort nor safety of a larger vehicle.
Any increased costs just get passed on to the customer.
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