Econo Stove Blower Problems

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Matthaus On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:42 am

Actually what Paul said about the iginiter reminded me to say "make sure the igniter option is set to no in the setup menu". We have had issues with "unexplained operation" because the user inadvertently set that option to yes or M. I'm starting my experiemnt using my cheap Coleman generator as a power source for a Coal-Trol, will keep you posted as I gain data.
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Johnshan On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:02 pm

Thanks again guys.

I did not hear any relay chatter but I didnt specifically check for it either, I can do this.

I did not check the ignitior parameter, I do not have this and will certainly check on this as well.
Johnshan
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Econo

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Johnshan On: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:25 am

Any updates on this?
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:51 pm

The true test is to try one out for yourself ...... your system may have a quirk ... or not .... but you'll never know using one gen set. :idea:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:07 pm

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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Johnshan On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:18 am

You guys need to say if your using coal trol or not with your generator, that makes all the difference.

Again, LL needs to make a warning to consumers who are buying their product that a generator will not run their stoves.

Furthermore, my generator is a "cheap" model with a subaru engine it produces a sine wave as I posted earlier.

Also, I make my living as a MASTER ELECTRICIAN, so trust me when I say my generator is fine and has had no problems running ANYTHING I ever hooked up to it, except this Coal Trol driven LL stove.

I would like LL to make a statment regarding their lack of ability to run a stove off of a generator, it would have changed my purchase of this stove and now I am stuck with it due to an obmission of facts, or figure out if the problem is coal trol (which I expect) or a blower quality issue.

Alaska stoves have no problems on my generator, without coal trol. Why do you think Alaska voids their warranty if you hook a coal trol to it?
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Stove/Furnace Model: Econo

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:54 am

When we lost power last winter I ran our stove with the coal trol off a deep cell battery and a cheap (only one in the stove) Black and Decker inverter and my stove ran fine. Does a battery make a difference from using a generator? I thought it would be the inverter that makes all the difference?



How would you even be able to run a Pioneer without a coal trol? How would you be able to set up the feed rate and such? I would assume that the LL where usable long before the cola trol came into the picture.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Chubby Sr. Old School

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Johnshan On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:17 am

With manual controls.
Johnshan
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Econo

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:28 am

Johnshan wrote:With manual controls.



I don't see anything in the Instructional, Maintenance & Safety Manuel about manual controls or how to use them.
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: gerry_g On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:59 pm

Johnshan wrote:You guys need to say if your using coal trol or not with your generator, that makes all the difference.

Furthermore, my generator is a "cheap" model with a subaru engine it produces a sine wave as I posted earlier.

Also, I make my living as a MASTER ELECTRICIAN, so trust me when I say my generator is fine and has had no problems running ANYTHING I ever hooked up to it, except this Coal Trol driven LL stove.


I have a Masters or Electrical Engineering degree and 30+ years experience.

If your generator (with other loads connected) is supplying clean nominal voltage during operation (as observed at the stove's power cord) WITH all other loads you have connected at the same time, it is impossible for the Coal Trol to know or behave as if it isn't on mains! The source power is identical. I suspect you have another load degrading the output of your generator or are using a too light a gauge wire or too long a power cord to connect your loads. Did you wire in a change over switch box or just string power cords?

How many of your other devices that "work" have electronic variable speed controls?

Too lightweight or too long a cord from the generator can cause dramatic power condition changes at the loads. It's also a common situation with generators outdoors as required.

Again, if you supply the stove with a clean sine wave nominal voltage power supply AT THE STOVES power cord, it will behave exactly as if on mains.

Did you actually monitor (with an oscilloscope, they don't lie) the power at the stove WHEN all other loads are also running or starting?

It is true, these devices need clean AC at near nominal voltage. Not an unreasonable assumption.
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: WNY On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:53 pm

MANUAL controls are the old Rheostats that used to control the stoves. I upgraded my Hyfire to the CoalTrol, but still have the Rheostat box (new units wouldn't have the old manual controls). OR just Plug in some or all the cords directly to an power Strip running on the generator cord and run it without the Coaltrol if you run into the problem. Run the combustion and/or the convection blower off the generator direct, and let the coaltrol run the stoker only.....
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:42 pm

WNY wrote:MANUAL controls are the old Rheostats that used to control the stoves. I upgraded my Hyfire to the CoalTrol, but still have the Rheostat box (new units wouldn't have the old manual controls). OR just Plug in some or all the cords directly to an power Strip running on the generator cord and run it without the Coaltrol if you run into the problem. Run the combustion and/or the convection blower off the generator direct, and let the coaltrol run the stoker only.....



Are the Rheostat box's still being sold by LL? If in our case we loss power and are running the system off a battery would we us less electricity using rheostat for the motor instead of the coaltrol?
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Stove/Furnace Make: Chubby Sr. Old School

Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:04 pm


Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Johnshan On: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:18 a
Again, LL needs to make a warning to consumers who are buying their product that a generator will not run their stoves.


Furthermore, my generator is a "cheap" model with a subaru engine it produces a sine wave as I posted earlier.


We already state that these stoves are supplement heat only. What is your main source for heat ,and why cant you run your main source of heat off your generator till power is restored ? As of today I had 2 of my friends with coal trols run there stoves w cheap generators with no issues after 8hrs. We need more data on this issue and some time to work it out .If you can give us a call at the shop Monday morning . I would like some info on this situation . Like who is your dealer how involved has he been ? I am more or less coming into this thread late because of how busy we have been at the plant and trying to balance my work and family life . I have followed it briefly over the past couple months but it was jumping around to much and everything seemed like it was getting handled till very recently . One of the last things I knew Matt had told you to call him at the shop and you never have . So until there is proof and facts of an issue with LL stoves I would appreciate it if the badgering would stop it dosen't help anyone in these situations . Furthermore I will lock this thread and start one with issues involving generator problems . Please keep topics on topic .Thank You ,Dave Donnora

This is copied from our owners manual .

""Leisure Line Stoves
are to be used as
supplemental heat
only. Do not use
this stove as a
replacement for a
furnace."
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Generator power cord discussion

PostBy: gerry_g On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:58 am

Rick 386 wrote:Flyer5,
I also ran an extension cord across the driveway to my SIL's house to power her Alaska Cast Console with the Alaska controls (rheostats only). Shortly thereafter she experienced issues with her stove. We had to replace the stoker motor on the Alaska. All other motors on it appear to still be fine.

Coincidence ????? I don't know but it does make you think.

Rick


To get more information, did you happen to use a heavy duty extension or a typical lightweight 16 gauge outdoor cord? This sounds like a long run. If you ever try it again, use a cheap volt meter and check the voltage at the stove while all motors are running. Maybe the stoker motor didn't appreciate low voltage?
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Re: Econo Stove Blower Problems

PostBy: Matthaus On: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:25 pm

I moved a lot of the generator discussion out of here except what was specific to Johnshan's and cmperry's issues. I'm going to leave it locked for the time being until we have a chance to discuss this with them on the phone.
Thank you everyone for your patience and input, hopefully we will have some good news to post soon. :)
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