President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:34 pm

jpete wrote:I think it's a bit arrogant to acknowledge government is full of waste and graft but suggest your side is somehow different.


Arrogant...NO. (it' just that me & my side are better than anyone else!) :rambo:
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:35 pm

I think, and those thoughts were reinforced last night for me, that President Obama is that game changer. It was refreshing to hear him outline what he hopes to accomplish and how he hopes to do it. It certainly is a change from the empty rhetoric of the boy king we had for the past 8 years.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:37 pm

tvb wrote:I think, and those thoughts were reinforced last night for me, that President Obama is that game changer. It was refreshing to hear him outline what he hopes to accomplish and how he hopes to do it.


:clap: :up: :cheers:
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: djackman On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:40 pm

Something's wrong, 3 pages and I haven't seen the words "socialist" "communist", or "Chavez" yet. :)
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:53 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:"I'll go back to Alan Keyes. "How does a bankruot government bail out a bankrupt industry?" Do you really think you can spend your way out of debt? "

Boy I sure would like to see a simple verbaitim answer to these two simple questions, without any retoric. I cant imagine the simple answer answers would be anything but:

1. it can't
2. no

So, can we take it correctly that you guys have had an epiphany and now realize that "trickle-down," deficit Reaganomics are, as George the Elder observed in 1988, in fact "voodoo economics?"

Because the essence of both is a gamble that stoking the fire of the economy will, in the long run, generate more tax revenue and naturally bring the budget more into balance. But the reality is that, whether you increase spending or cut taxes, a deficit, gentlemen, is a goll-darn deficit.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:10 pm

stockingfull wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:"I'll go back to Alan Keyes. "How does a bankruot government bail out a bankrupt industry?" Do you really think you can spend your way out of debt? "

Boy I sure would like to see a simple verbaitim answer to these two simple questions, without any retoric. I cant imagine the simple answer answers would be anything but:

1. it can't
2. no

So, can we take it correctly that you guys have had an epiphany and now realize that "trickle-down," deficit Reaganomics are, as George the Elder observed in 1988, in fact "voodoo economics?"

Because the essence of both is a gamble that stoking the fire of the economy will, in the long run, generate more tax revenue and naturally bring the budget more into balance. But the reality is that, whether you increase spending or cut taxes, a deficit, gentlemen, is a goll-darn deficit.

Not if we do BOTH! THAT results in an improved economy. I'm sorry you can't accept that.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:30 pm

tvb wrote:
Also, what happened to Obama NOT allowing any pork in this bill? He ran a campaign based on this and even proclaimed that he would use a line item veto to eliminate ANY pork.. well, now there are 9,000 ( yes 9,000 ) pork items in the bill ....


Examples?



http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/


Check out the negative votes for the various pork projects in certain locales.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Paulie On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:34 pm

jpete wrote:
Paulie wrote:In last nights address, the President made it clear that he was not a fan of more gov. or more gov. spending. The problems
that we face have been along time in forming, and needs to be addressed before more damage is done. So, lesser of two
evils is what I got out of the speech. Do nothing, and it gets worse for more years. Spend now, and get out of the hole
sooner.
I will give him credit for even listening to the Republicans and including them in the process to the extent they want to be.
Politically he does not need them. In light of the last 8-12 years of " F you and your mother" politics, really rather refreshing.
Like him or hate him, agree or disagree, he is taking the high road. Seems " gasp" Presidential. God Bless ALL of America :)

I'll go back to Alan Keyes. "How does a bankruot government bail out a bankrupt industry?" Do you really think you can spend your way out of debt? All our income tax barely covers the interest on our current debt. What will be the result of piling more on? It's a recipe for disaster.



Easy, MORE. What does bankrupt mean any more? We will become bankrupt when we can no longer make timely payments on the debt, or when our liabilities are greater than our assets. According to definition, we are not there yet. :chop:
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:42 pm

The photo captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect US wildlife.

Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democrat Party... as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:50 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:The photo captures a disturbing trend that is beginning to affect US wildlife.

Animals that were formerly self-sufficient are now showing signs of belonging to the Democrat Party... as they have apparently learned to just sit and wait for the government to step in and provide for their care and sustenance.


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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:53 pm

with a HEAVY accent on the ........ HAM!! :lol:
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:02 pm

jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:"I'll go back to Alan Keyes. "How does a bankruot government bail out a bankrupt industry?" Do you really think you can spend your way out of debt? "

Boy I sure would like to see a simple verbaitim answer to these two simple questions, without any retoric. I cant imagine the simple answer answers would be anything but:

1. it can't
2. no

So, can we take it correctly that you guys have had an epiphany and now realize that "trickle-down," deficit Reaganomics are, as George the Elder observed in 1988, in fact "voodoo economics?"

Because the essence of both is a gamble that stoking the fire of the economy will, in the long run, generate more tax revenue and naturally bring the budget more into balance. But the reality is that, whether you increase spending or cut taxes, a deficit, gentlemen, is a goll-darn deficit.

Not if we do BOTH! THAT results in an improved economy. I'm sorry you can't accept that.

Indeed I can't. Whether it's a tax cut or an unfunded spending bill, either way the thesis is that leaving more $$$ in the economy will stimulate growth and the growth will, in turn, ultimately generate the add'l tax revenue to pay off the initial deficit "investment."

OTOH, you guys, if I understand you, are saying there should be NO stimulus at all, whether tax cut or spending increase -- which puts you in the camp with Herbert Hoover and the boyz. And we know what happens then. :bang:

But here's an idea for you: now that Jindal has crashed, start a movement to make Alan Keyes the national GOP leader. (You may recall he ran against Obama once before.)

See how that works out for ya.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:04 pm

Check out the negative votes for the various pork projects in certain locales.


Stimuluswatch.org is simply a compiled list of proposed projects for funding put forth by the nation's mayors at their recent conference (from both sides of the aisle) as "shovel ready". It is not a list of projects that are actually being funded - those projects have not yet been determined according to http://www.recovery.gov. If you had bothered to read the FAQ at stimuluswatch.org you would have learned this before posting it as a list of funded projects.

Nice try however.
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:49 pm

Stocking, if Hoover had done "nothing", we might not even talk about 1929. The fact of the matter is that he did "something". It was the wrong thing and we know what happened. Do a little research on the market crash of 1920-1921. It's hard to find info on it because the government did NOTHING. Over 500 banks closed and the market tanked due to WWI debt. You've never heard of it because it lasted less than a year. Compare the to FDR and Bush/Obama. In my expirience, in any crisis, the person screaming "We HAVE to do SOMETHING!!!" is about to do the WRONG thing. Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)
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Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:01 pm

jpete wrote:Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)



On the other hand, there is this:

If you're going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill
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