President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:18 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)



On the other hand, there is this:

If you're going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill

Churchill also said "You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing. After they've tried everything else first." If we want to get intoa cliché war, you came to the right place. ;) Look at it like this, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. And remember, he who hesitates is lost, but look before you leap. :D
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:23 pm

Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.
Winston Churchill

If you're going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
Winston Churchill

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Winston Church

When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
Winston Churchill

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill

He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.
Winston Churchill

A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.
Winston Churchill

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Winston Churchill

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

Play the game for more than you can afford to lose... only then will you learn the game.
Winston Churchill

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill


nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.
Winston Churchill


Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
Winston Churchill

Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.
Winston Churchill

Mr. Attlee is a very modest man. Indeed he has a lot to be modest about.
Winston Churchill

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Winston Churchill

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

Perhaps it is better to be irresponsible and right, than to be responsible and wrong.
Winston Churchill

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
Winston Churchill

The length of this document defends it well against the risk of its being read.
Winston Churchill

War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
Winston Churchi

We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.
Winston Churchill

We shall show mercy, but we shall not ask for it.
Winston Churchill



Your serve :lol:
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:27 pm

jpete wrote:
Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)



On the other hand, there is this:

If you're going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill

Churchill also said "You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing. After they've tried everything else first." If we want to get intoa cliché war, you came to the right place. ;) Look at it like this, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. And remember, he who hesitates is lost, but look before you leap. :D


Y'all are a barrel of laughs :punk: :notworthy: :clap: :shots:
tvb
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III


Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: TimV On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:28 pm

I will give him that he has a way with words.
But like any politician just words.
Like the old lady on the Wendy's commercial....Show Me The beef :x
Then I will believe your words.
TimV
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Older Ashley Cabinet ( pre US Stove gobble up)
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Energy King 480 EK
Coal Size/Type: Warm weather smaller coal. Cold weather larger coal.
Other Heating: Oil Furnace Backup when repairs are needed
Stove/Furnace Make: Energy King Furnace
Stove/Furnace Model: 480 EK

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:33 pm

You have me at a disadvantage Devil. I going into my 12th hour at work typing with my thumbs from my cell phone between cuts. I'll cut and paste a response after 8 when I leave here. ;)
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:35 pm

TimV wrote:I will give him that he has a way with words.
But like any politician just words.
Like the old lady on the Wendy's commercial....Show Me The beef :x
Then I will believe your words.


He's been in office one month. Certainly not enough time to decide he will just be........ all talk.
(as far as "Show Me The beef".........If an Angus Steer was sitting on their heads, some people in this country would still be asking that question!) ;)
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:53 pm

Devil505 wrote:
He's been in office one month. Certainly not enough time to decide he will just be........ all talk.


Agreed


(as far as "Show Me The beef".........If an Angus Steer was sitting on their heads, some people in this country would still be asking that question!) ;)


Yes I would have to ask because my grandfather raised 100% Black Angus cattle. Not the crap listed below:

What are the Certified Angus Beef ® brand specifications?

The process begins with only the highest quality, Angus-influenced cattle with predominantly (51%) solid black hair coat or AngusSource® genetic verification.



A lot of this so called Angus beef is nothing more than Holstein. (Milk cows)
SuperBeetle
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark II
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Nut, & Stove Anthracite

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:16 pm

jpete wrote:Stocking, if Hoover had done "nothing", we might not even talk about 1929. The fact of the matter is that he did "something". It was the wrong thing and we know what happened. Do a little research on the market crash of 1920-1921. It's hard to find info on it because the government did NOTHING. Over 500 banks closed and the market tanked due to WWI debt. You've never heard of it because it lasted less than a year. Compare the to FDR and Bush/Obama. In my expirience, in any crisis, the person screaming "We HAVE to do SOMETHING!!!" is about to do the WRONG thing. Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)

This observation has been made before here and, to me, it just doesn't withstand the most superficial scrutiny.

Harding is rated as a President even more deficiently (38/42) than Hoover (34/42) and Dubya (36/42). So, if his response to the "crash of 1920-21" was so exemplary, I have a couple questions:
1. How is it that this wonderful model wasn't followed by Hoover in 1929? (Are we even sure he didn't?)
2. How is it that FDR didn't return to it when he took office in 1933?
3. How come we haven't heard it mentioned more widely since the current meltdown began last September?
4. With all the experts economists (many of them Republicans, especially last fall when it started!) who've studied the crashes and the Depression, how is it that there wasn't a robust debate about this wonderful 1920 approach when, or before, Bush threw $350 Billion at the banks with virtually no strings attached within a couple days of the crash?
5. Has this notion (that Harding's 1920-21 response was so darned good) been run through Snopes? :roll:

There's no need to even bother looking at this model, IMO, in the complete absence of any circumstantial indication, whether in history, or by current economic experts, or in any other way, that it was worth a sh!t.
stockingfull
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Yellow Flame
Stove/Furnace Model: W.A. 150 Stoker Furnace

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:45 pm

stockingfull wrote:
jpete wrote:Stocking, if Hoover had done "nothing", we might not even talk about 1929. The fact of the matter is that he did "something". It was the wrong thing and we know what happened. Do a little research on the market crash of 1920-1921. It's hard to find info on it because the government did NOTHING. Over 500 banks closed and the market tanked due to WWI debt. You've never heard of it because it lasted less than a year. Compare the to FDR and Bush/Obama. In my expirience, in any crisis, the person screaming "We HAVE to do SOMETHING!!!" is about to do the WRONG thing. Sometimes nothing is the right thing. When you're lost in the woods, sit down and don't do anything. ;)

This observation has been made before here and, to me, it just doesn't withstand the most superficial scrutiny.

Harding is rated as a President even more deficiently (38/42) than Hoover (34/42) and Dubya (36/42). So, if his response to the "crash of 1920-21" was so exemplary, I have a couple questions:
1. How is it that this wonderful model wasn't followed by Hoover in 1929? (Are we even sure he didn't?)
2. How is it that FDR didn't return to it when he took office in 1933?
3. How come we haven't heard it mentioned more widely since the current meltdown began last September?
4. With all the experts economists (many of them Republicans, especially last fall when it started!) who've studied the crashes and the Depression, how is it that there wasn't a robust debate about this wonderful 1920 approach when, or before, Bush threw $350 Billion at the banks with virtually no strings attached within a couple days of the crash?
5. Has this notion (that Harding's 1920-21 response was so darned good) been run through Snopes? :roll:

There's no need to even bother looking at this model, IMO, in the complete absence of any circumstantial indication, whether in history, or by current economic experts, or in any other way, that it was worth a *censored*.


So if there is a "successful" (ie. no long term depression) then we can't look at it to see what was done?

1) Yes, we are sure we passed the "Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act". That counts as "something" rather than "nothing"
2) FDR was of the opinion of the current president that only government can solve our problems.
3) Anyone who doesn't agree with the current administration is demonized or ignored.
4) Are these the same "experts" that brought us the current situation? They don't seem to be working out.
5) Who snopes Snopes? :D

You get your experts, and I'll get mine and we'll let them go at it "Thunder Dome" style. Deal?


http://www.cato.org/fiscalreality
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


"There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."

— PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, JANUARY 9 , 2009
With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.

* Burton Abrams, Univ. of Delaware
* Douglas Adie, Ohio University
* Ryan Amacher, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
* J.J. Arias, Georgia College & State University
* Howard Baetjer, Jr., Towson University
* Stacie Beck, Univ. of Delaware
* Don Bellante, Univ. of South Florida
* James Bennett, George Mason University
* Bruce Benson, Florida State University
* Sanjai Bhagat, Univ. of Colorado at Boulder
* Mark Bils, Univ. of Rochester
* Alberto Bisin, New York University
* Walter Block, Loyola University New Orleans
* Cecil Bohanon, Ball State University
* Michele Boldrin, Washington University in St. Louis
* Donald Booth, Chapman University
* Michael Bordo, Rutgers University
* Samuel Bostaph, Univ. of Dallas
* Scott Bradford, Brigham Young University
* Genevieve Briand, Eastern Washington University
* George Brower, Moravian College
* James Buchanan, Nobel laureate
* Richard Burdekin, Claremont McKenna College
* Henry Butler, Northwestern University
* William Butos, Trinity College
* Peter Calcagno, College of Charleston
* Bryan Caplan, George Mason University
* Art Carden, Rhodes College
* James Cardon, Brigham Young University
* Dustin Chambers, Salisbury University
* Emily Chamlee-Wright, Beloit College
* V.V. Chari, Univ. of Minnesota
* Barry Chiswick, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
* Lawrence Cima, John Carroll University
* J.R. Clark, Univ. of Tennessee at Chattanooga
* Gian Luca Clementi, New York University
* R. Morris Coats, Nicholls State University
* John Cochran, Metropolitan State College
* John Cochrane, Univ. of Chicago
* John Cogan, Hoover Institution, Stanford University
* John Coleman, Duke University
* Boyd Collier, Tarleton State University
* Robert Collinge, Univ. of Texas at San Antonio
* Lee Coppock, Univ. of Virginia
* Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt University
* Christopher Culp, Univ. of Chicago
* Kirby Cundiff, Northeastern State University
* Antony Davies, Duquesne University
* John Dawson, Appalachian State University
* Clarence Deitsch, Ball State University
* Arthur Diamond, Jr., Univ. of Nebraska at Omaha
* John Dobra, Univ. of Nevada, Reno
* James Dorn, Towson University
* Christopher Douglas, Univ. of Michigan, Flint
* Floyd Duncan, Virginia Military Institute
* Francis Egan, Trinity College
* John Egger, Towson University
* Kenneth Elzinga, Univ. of Virginia
* Paul Evans, Ohio State University
* Eugene Fama, Univ. of Chicago
* W. Ken Farr, Georgia College & State University
* Hartmut Fischer, Univ. of San Francisco
* Fred Foldvary, Santa Clara University
* Murray Frank, Univ. of Minnesota
* Peter Frank, Wingate University
* Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University
* B. Delworth Gardner, Brigham Young University
* John Garen, Univ. of Kentucky
* Rick Geddes, Cornell University
* Aaron Gellman, Northwestern University
* William Gerdes, Clarke College
* Michael Gibbs, Univ. of Chicago
* Stephan Gohmann, Univ. of Louisville
* Rodolfo Gonzalez, San Jose State University
* Richard Gordon, Penn State University
* Peter Gordon, Univ. of Southern California
* Ernie Goss, Creighton University
* Paul Gregory, Univ. of Houston
* Earl Grinols, Baylor University
* Daniel Gropper, Auburn University
* R.W. Hafer, Southern Illinois
* University, Edwardsville
* Arthur Hall, Univ. of Kansas
* Steve Hanke, Johns Hopkins
* Stephen Happel, Arizona State University
* Frank Hefner, College of Charleston
* Ronald Heiner, George Mason University
* David Henderson, Hoover Institution, Stanford University
* Robert Herren, North Dakota State University
* Gailen Hite, Columbia University
* Steven Horwitz, St. Lawrence University
* John Howe, Univ. of Missouri, Columbia
* Jeffrey Hummel, San Jose State University
* Bruce Hutchinson, Univ. of Tennessee at Chattanooga
* Brian Jacobsen, Wisconsin Lutheran College
* Jason Johnston, Univ. of Pennsylvania
* Boyan Jovanovic, New York University
* Jonathan Karpoff, Univ. of Washington
* Barry Keating, Univ. of Notre Dame
* Naveen Khanna, Michigan State University
* Nicholas Kiefer, Cornell University
* Daniel Klein, George Mason University
* Paul Koch, Univ. of Kansas
* Narayana Kocherlakota, Univ. of Minnesota

* Marek Kolar, Delta College
* Roger Koppl, Fairleigh Dickinson University
* Kishore Kulkarni, Metropolitan State College of Denver
* Deepak Lal, UCLA
* George Langelett, South Dakota State University
* James Larriviere, Spring Hill College
* Robert Lawson, Auburn University
* John Levendis, Loyola University New Orleans
* David Levine, Washington University in St. Louis
* Peter Lewin, Univ. of Texas at Dallas
* Dean Lillard, Cornell University
* Zheng Liu, Emory University
* Alan Lockard, Binghampton University
* Edward Lopez, San Jose State University
* John Lunn, Hope College
* Glenn MacDonald, Washington
* University in St. Louis
* Michael Marlow, California
* Polytechnic State University
* Deryl Martin, Tennessee Tech University
* Dale Matcheck, Northwood University
* Deirdre McCloskey, Univ. of Illinois, Chicago
* John McDermott, Univ. of South Carolina
* Joseph McGarrity, Univ. of Central Arkansas
* Roger Meiners, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
* Allan Meltzer, Carnegie Mellon University
* John Merrifield, Univ. of Texas at San Antonio
* James Miller III, George Mason University
* Jeffrey Miron, Harvard University
* Thomas Moeller, Texas Christian University
* John Moorhouse, Wake Forest University
* Andrea Moro, Vanderbilt University
* Andrew Morriss, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
* Michael Munger, Duke University
* Kevin Murphy, Univ. of Southern California
* Richard Muth, Emory University
* Charles Nelson, Univ. of Washington
* Seth Norton, Wheaton College
* Lee Ohanian, Univ. of California, Los Angeles
* Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University
* Evan Osborne, Wright State University
* Randall Parker, East Carolina University
* Donald Parsons, George Washington University
* Sam Peltzman, Univ. of Chicago
* Mark Perry, Univ. of Michigan, Flint
* Christopher Phelan, Univ. of Minnesota
* Gordon Phillips, Univ. of Maryland
* Michael Pippenger, Univ. of Alaska, Fairbanks
* Tomasz Piskorski, Columbia University
* Brennan Platt, Brigham Young University
* Joseph Pomykala, Towson University
* William Poole, Univ. of Delaware
* Barry Poulson, Univ. of Colorado at Boulder
* Benjamin Powell, Suffolk University
* Edward Prescott, Nobel laureate
* Gary Quinlivan, Saint Vincent College
* Reza Ramazani, Saint Michael's College
* Adriano Rampini, Duke University
* Eric Rasmusen, Indiana University
* Mario Rizzo, New York University
* Richard Roll, Univ. of California, Los Angeles
* Robert Rossana, Wayne State University
* James Roumasset, Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa
* John Rowe, Univ. of South Florida
* Charles Rowley, George Mason University
* Juan Rubio-Ramirez, Duke University
* Roy Ruffin, Univ. of Houston
* Kevin Salyer, Univ. of California, Davis
* Pavel Savor, Univ. of Pennsylvania
* Ronald Schmidt, Univ. of Rochester
* Carlos Seiglie, Rutgers University
* William Shughart II, Univ. of Mississippi
* Charles Skipton, Univ. of Tampa
* James Smith, Western Carolina University
* Vernon Smith, Nobel laureate
* Lawrence Southwick, Jr., Univ. at Buffalo
* Dean Stansel, Florida Gulf Coast University
* Houston Stokes, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
* Brian Strow, Western Kentucky University
* Shirley Svorny, California State
* University, Northridge
* John Tatom, Indiana State University
* Wade Thomas, State University of New York at Oneonta
* Henry Thompson, Auburn University
* Alex Tokarev, The King's College
* Edward Tower, Duke University
* Leo Troy, Rutgers University
* David Tuerck, Suffolk University
* Charlotte Twight, Boise State University
* Kamal Upadhyaya, Univ. of New Haven
* Charles Upton, Kent State University
* T. Norman Van Cott, Ball State University
* Richard Vedder, Ohio University
* Richard Wagner, George Mason University
* Douglas M. Walker, College of Charleston
* Douglas O. Walker, Regent University
* Christopher Westley, Jacksonville State University
* Lawrence White, Univ. of Missouri at St. Louis
* Walter Williams, George Mason University
* Doug Wills, Univ. of Washington Tacoma
* Dennis Wilson, Western Kentucky University
* Gary Wolfram, Hillsdale College
* Huizhong Zhou, Western Michigan University

Additional economists who have signed the statement

* Lee Adkins, Oklahoma State University
* William Albrecht, Univ. of Iowa
* Donald Alexander, Western Michigan University
* Geoffrey Andron, Austin Community College
* Nathan Ashby, Univ. of Texas at El Paso
* George Averitt, Purdue North Central University
* Charles Baird, California State University, East Bay
* Timothy Bastian, Creighton University
* Joe Bell, Missouri State University, Springfield
* John Bethune, Barton College
* Robert Bise, Orange Coast College
* Karl Borden, University of Nebraska
* Donald Boudreaux, George Mason University
* Ivan Brick, Rutgers University
* Phil Bryson, Brigham Young University
* Richard Burkhauser, Cornell University
* Edwin Burton, Univ. of Virginia
* Jim Butkiewicz, Univ. of Delaware
* Richard Cebula, Armstrong Atlantic State University
* Don Chance, Louisiana State University
* Robert Chatfield, Univ. of Nevada, Las Vegas
* Lloyd Cohen, George Mason University
* Peter Colwell, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
* Michael Connolly, Univ. of Miami
* Jim Couch, Univ. of North Alabama
* Eleanor Craig, Univ. of Delaware
* Michael Daniels, Columbus State University
* A. Edward Day, Univ. of Texas at Dallas
* Stephen Dempsey, Univ. of Vermont
* Allan DeSerpa, Arizona State University
* William Dewald, Ohio State University
* Jeff Dorfman, Univ. of Georgia
* Lanny Ebenstein, Univ. of California, Santa Barbara
* Michael Erickson, The College of Idaho
* Jack Estill, San Jose State University
* Dorla Evans, Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville
* Frank Falero, California State University, Bakersfield
* Daniel Feenberg, National Bureau of Economic Research
* Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University
* Arthur Fleisher, Metropolitan State College of Denver
* William Ford, Middle Tennessee State University
* Ralph Frasca, Univ. of Dayton
* Joseph Giacalone, St. John's University
* Adam Gifford, California State Unviersity, Northridge
* Otis Gilley, Louisiana Tech University
* J. Edward Graham, University of North Carolina at Wilmington
* Richard Grant, Lipscomb University
* Gauri-Shankar Guha, Arkansas State University
* Darren Gulla, Univ. of Kentucky
* Dennis Halcoussis, California State University, Northridge
* Richard Hart, Miami University
* James Hartley, Mount Holyoke College
* Thomas Hazlett, George Mason University
* Scott Hein, Texas Tech University
* Bradley Hobbs, Florida Gulf Coast University
* John Hoehn, Michigan State University
* Daniel Houser, George Mason University
* Thomas Howard, University of Denver
* Chris Hughen, Univ. of Denver
* Marcus Ingram, Univ. of Tampa
* Joseph Jadlow, Oklahoma State University
* Sherry Jarrell, Wake Forest University

* Scott Kelly, Albany State University
* Carrie Kerekes, Florida Gulf Coast University
* Robert Krol, California State University, Northridge
* James Kurre, Penn State Erie
* Tom Lehman, Indiana Wesleyan University
* W. Cris Lewis, Utah State University
* Stan Liebowitz, Univ. of Texas at Dallas
* Anthony Losasso, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
* John Lott, Jr., Univ. of Maryland
* Keith Malone, Univ. of North Alabama
* Henry Manne, George Mason University
* Richard Marcus, Univ. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
* James Barney Marsh, University of Hawaii at Manoa
* Timothy Mathews, Kennesaw State University
* John Matsusaka, Univ. of Southern California
* Thomas Mayor, Univ. of Houston
* John McConnell, Purdue University
* W. Douglas McMillin, Louisiana State University
* Mario Miranda, The Ohio State University
* Ed Miseta, Penn State Erie
* James Moncur, Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa
* Charles Moss, Univ. of Florida
* Tim Muris, George Mason University
* John Murray, Univ. of Toledo
* David Mustard, Univ. of Georgia
* Steven Myers, Univ. of Akron
* Dhananjay Nanda, University of Miami
* Stephen Parente, Univ. of Minnesota
* Allen Parkman, Univ. of New Mexico
* Douglas Patterson, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and University
* Timothy Perri, Appalachian State University
* Mark Pingle, Univ. of Nevada, Reno
* Ivan Pongracic, Hillsdale College
* Robert Prati, East Carolina University
* Richard Rawlins, Missouri Southern State University
* Thomas Rhee, California State University, Long Beach
* Christine Ries, Georgia Institute of Technology
* Nancy Roberts, Arizona State University
* Larry Ross, Univ. of Alaska Anchorage
* Timothy Roth, Univ. of Texas at El Paso
* Atulya Sarin, Santa Clara University
* Thomas Saving, Texas A&M University
* Eric Schansberg, Indiana University Southeast
* John Seater, North Carolina University
* Alan Shapiro, Univ. of Southern California
* Thomas Simmons, Greenfield Community College
* W. James Smith, University of Colorado Denver
* Frank Spreng, McKendree University
* Judith Staley Brenneke, John Carroll University
* John E. Stapleford, Eastern University
* Courtenay Stone, Ball State University
* Avanidhar Subrahmanyam, UCLA
* Scott Sumner, Bentley University
* Clifford Thies, Shenandoah University
* William Trumbull, West Virginia University
* A. Sinan Unur, Cornell University
* Randall Valentine, Georgia Southwestern State University
* Gustavo Ventura, Univ. of Iowa
* Marc Weidenmier, Claremont McKenna College
* Robert Whaples, Wake Forest University
* Gene Wunder, Washburn University
* John Zdanowicz, Florida International University
* Jerry Zimmerman, Univ. of Rochester
* Joseph Zoric, Franciscan University of Steubenville
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: av8r On: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:43 pm

Devil505 wrote:I think any honest appraisal of last night would be incomplete unless it mentioned the stark180* difference between the America of 2 months ago & the new.....vastly improved one! We now have a President who can speak in complete sentences, knows how to properly pronounce the word NUCLEAR & is capable of inspiring our nation......something lacking for years, but a very important part of the job description of the POTUS.
Personally, I think anyone who denies these simple truths is both kidding themselves & is simply out of step with the majority of his countrymen.
(just my take)


And this means what to the markets which have tanked each and every time he has opened his mouth?

He can read from a teleprompter...wow.
av8r
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Leisure Line Hearth with twin turbos (sounds like it)
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Hearth model with twin turbos

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:03 am

He can read from a teleprompter...wow.


If you want to keep things simple, he's still one step ahead of the boy king we had for the past 8 years. It's a start.
tvb
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: av8r On: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:02 am

tvb wrote:
He can read from a teleprompter...wow.


If you want to keep things simple, he's still one step ahead of the boy king we had for the past 8 years. It's a start.


Sorry, but we need a h3ll of a lot more than a pretty boy who can read. He's backed up on so many of his "promises" already that it's clear he's just another politician.
av8r
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Leisure Line Hearth with twin turbos (sounds like it)
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Hearth model with twin turbos

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: danzig On: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:05 am

I did not like it. It sucked !!! Yeah he his a promise maker/ liar. This is now the time of Big Socialist Imperialistic Government. Remeber This shell game that is being played is with our money and future generations money (my Son's) This opens pandorias box for new ways of taxation and guidlines and BS Policies. The people that need hanged are Barnie Frank, Scheumer, and Dodd. These guys are true class A crooks. The Carbon Cap Trading is going to ruin the USA's Industry (what is left). Government Health Care and Government Funded Education sucks. All of this with the Fairness Doctrine (censorship) and the attack on the second admendment (all counts). I hope the general public understand what they got into. It will be a while before the general public will get the craps of this guy. But they will.

Hey did anybody see the new stoker boiler that is out? It feeds Islamic Extremist Terrorists brainwashed suicide bomber children for heat. Talk about heating on demand this will end global tensions for sure. This is totaly green energy for sure.

Bitch slap Joe Biden!!! He is the stupid one.
danzig
 
Stove/Furnace Make: logwood ycob36 boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: simplex multi therm

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:09 am

Government Funded Education sucks.


Certainly if the best it can do is produce intellectuals such as yourself, we may be overpaying for it. :shock:
tvb
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III

Re: President Obama's Speech-What did you think?

PostBy: danzig On: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:39 am

tvb hey dick head I went to a private Catholic school up until High School. I experienced both sides of the system. There was no comparision.
Put your money where your mouth is (what is left of it) and shut up.
danzig
 
Stove/Furnace Make: logwood ycob36 boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: simplex multi therm