If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:43 pm

Glen Beck:


http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3735159&referralPlaylistId=7d5c39e633ccf8113bd2cce634b1447d3376587d
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Sorry, the link is bad.

The video I wanted to reference is available if you go to the link above and then look to the list of vids below. The video I wanted to post was "America's watchdogs are asleep".
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:26 pm

If it was GWB doing all this, Glen Beck would be able to masturbate fast enough. He's pissed because he isn't going to get his Christian version of the Taliban. Eight years of shaking his pom poms for the neo cons and NOW he wants to see the watch dogs.

I got news for you Glen, that was supposed to be you and the other members of the "Fourth Estate". You're all a bunch of toothless mutts!
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: pvolcko On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:48 am

What are you talking about? Beck (and most conservative punditry) was all over Bush for any number of things. TARP, immigration enforcement and the (thankfully) failed immigration bill, grossly expanded spending (like the tax cuts, need commensurate spending cuts), medicare prescription drug benefit, huge expansion of federal education spending under NCLB, in general not being a conservative on fiscal issues.

Beck was way out front on the conservative pundit side of things with regard to the worsening economy and the possibility of the crisis we have found ourselves in. No Pollyanna or Bush/Republican water carrier on that score.

While it wasn't ever really talked about in conservative circles, I think most cons would have been fine with the Iraq and Afghanistan war budgets being brought into the main budgets after the first years of each war. It wasn't ever considered any kind of priority, mostly because it had the air of paper shuffling as opposed to bringing any kind of serious change in oversight. Those saying that doing this will bring the supposedly "hidden" costs of these two wars into the public light are on crack. The costs of these wars were never "hidden" from the public. Indeed they were highly publicized pretty much non-stop from late 2003 through 2008 (and well known to those interested from the first war appropriations bills forward).

And really, Christian Taliban? Are you serious with this? Who is advocating for anything even approaching a hint of that? Certainly not Beck. He isn't any kind of puritan, he doesn't claim to be one, and he isn't out there pushing for a new religious order through our laws. He would, like many, welcome a more morally thoughtful and serious culture, but he isn't pushing religion through law or government as the means to get there.

Do you even listen to Beck? I really don't know how you can believe what you're accusing him of here. He is easily the most Ron Paul friendly of the big three conservative talk hosts, and that doesn't mean Beck derides him the least. Beck has a genuine interest in Paul's perspective and politics and has something of a libertarian bent to his own politics and philosophy himself. He's very much on board with Ron Paul's notions against the Federal Reserve, pro-Gold Standard, and other fiscal and government/process issues.
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:18 am

Maybe NOW, when the manure has covered the fan. I'll never forgive/forget him calling Ron Paul supporters "terrorists". Especially in a country where terrorists are thrown into the back of a van and sent to Egypt for an extraordinary rendition.
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:12 am

Is this the time you're saying Glenn called Ron Paul and his supporters terrorists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo

I didn't hear him say Ron Paul was a terrorist. Nor did he call his supporters terrorists. He took some issue with the Nov 5th date for the fund raising day in support of RP's campaign its coincidence with the commemoration of Guy Fawkes failed terrorist attack on Britain, stating that for some supporters it was more than mere coincidence. Some, not all, not most, some. Which is fair. Ron Paul blogs and support web sites and forum postings had a lot of graphics and images and phrases/slogans and overall ethos that did key off the whole V for Vendetta/Guy Fawkes/Revolutionary theme. Ron Paul himself never really fully engaged or acknowledged that contingent of his following, but he did dabble with it, eventually taking on the "Revolution" graphics/slogan in some of his campaign and event messaging and participating in some grassroots supporter events where the ethos was more prevalent.

None of that made Ron Paul or his supporters terrorists and Beck never said they were. Indeed, in this clip from his TV show that caused so much controversy, he acknowledged much of the truth that underpinned the Ron Paul phenomenon, namely that there was a growing segment of libertarians, free market, constitutionalist conservatives and liberals (at least those with a more libertarian bent) that had grown fed up with national politics as played between the democrats and republicans (and the greens?). Ron Paul's supporters were the great unwashed grassroots that were sick of making choices between evils, playing party politics, and were generally highly motivated, politically attuned, yet disaffected voters and citizens. This group coalesced around Ron Paul and his brand of strict constitutionalism, neo-isolationism, and libertarianism. The group had a fervent youth component and made an important mark on the 2007-2008 election cycle and quite possibly will continue to into the future. Glenn fully acknowledges this and even gives it praise and the Ron Paul campaign credit for tapping into it.

He wasn't calling Ron Paul or his many supporters terrorists. At worst he was concerned about some very small subset taking the revolutionary/guy fawkes-esque messaging and connotations a bit too far.

It's clear you have no like or patience for Glenn Beck. Such is your right, more power to you. I wonder, though, do you listen to any political talk radio or internet podcasts? If so which ones? I only ask because I'm curious and would be interested to listen myself.
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:31 am

If you had been running around, putting up signs, participating in meetings, and going to events such as the Tea Party and the Freedom March as I did, he came a little too close for comfort for me. He tells you "how he got there" from Fawlkes=Terrorist=RP supporter. Both my wife and I gave money on Nov 5th. So I am on a list that to some people, may contain some terrorists.

And like I said, when "terrorists" can be disappeared in this country, it's a dangerous thing to say. I don't think I'd be one of the first to go, but I might be one of the last.

I don't like the direction this country has been going in and the speed at which it has recently accelerate to.

I don't listen to the MSM much at all. Local talk radio is what we have on the whole day at work. I do get to do a fair amount of reading. I don't think the Fairness Doctrine can take that away from me. Judge Anthony Napolitano is a good start if you haven't already. In fact, I think his new show is on Wednesdays on Fox at 2pm.

I prefer the reading though. And it's nothing too radical.I just go into the bookstore's history and political sections and browse until I find something that hits me. You'd be surprised at what's out there.
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Re: If Today's News Stories Were Geo. Bush's Actions.

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:08 pm

Napolitano is interesting. Knew he had a radio show, didn't know about the tv show.
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