Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:23 am

Devil,

I was with the 10th Special Forces Group, and we used to train some local SWAT teams. We could train them, but we could not perform their missions. As far as skill sets for shooting between LEO vs. Military, they are about the same. The difference is in unit operations and tactics. Offensive operations are more difficult than defensive operations, as a rule of thumb it takes 7 offensive troops to get 1 defensive troop that is dug in. Building clearing is the perfect example of that, and it sounds like you have had your fair share of that. I know enough about building clearing that I am not going in unless I have to. And then it will be a take no prisoners operation. In a military scenario that does not involve hostage rescue, our "flash bangs" are hand grenades, and we count them down before we toss them in. Anyone still alive when we come through the door will be shot. Where lethal, offensive force is justified, it is far easier than what the LEO people have to contend with... defensive shooting, and then get screwed by the department after the fact.

Mike
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:34 am

Complete Heat wrote:I know enough about building clearing that I am not going in unless I have to. And then it will be a take no prisoners operation. In a military scenario that does not involve hostage rescue, our "flash bangs" are hand grenades, and we count them down before we toss them in. Anyone still alive when we come through the door will be shot. Where lethal, offensive force is justified, it is far easier than what the LEO people have to contend with... defensive shooting, and then get screwed by the department after the fact.

Mike



You are right Mike, in that what you military types call "Building Clearing" we LEO's do daily (sometimes multiple times a day) & call "Serving A Search or Arrest Warrant" an obviously we can't go int with the intention of killing everybody! ;) (you guys have it easy......We have to "Take prisoners" :P )
The amazing part (to non LEO's) is how routine these raids become, & that is when agents get hurt! (After kicking down hundreds of doors with no gunfire or serious altercations occurring, it'll be the fairly safe raid where an agent will be shot by a drug dealer's terrified wife or girlfriend, thinking we are a rival gang)

I guess there is no two ways about it.......We have totally different goals & objectives:
You military guys have a goal of killing people & breaking things while us LEO's are supposed to "Mirandize" people, Find Things & put them into glassine "Evidence" bags! :lol:
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:42 am

Devil,

If I came home to find my house broken into, and my family was not inside, and if I were armed I would NOT enter my house until after the police show up and clear the house. It is just too dangerous.

Mike
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:17 pm

Complete Heat wrote:Devil,

If I came home to find my house broken into, and my family was not inside, and if I were armed I would NOT enter my house until after the police show up and clear the house. It is just too dangerous.

Mike



So we LEO's have hold your hand & make sure there are no "Boogiemen" in you house?? :baby: :devil:

(just kidding)
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:26 pm

maybe this is wrong thread for this but also maybe a good reason to practice,practice,practice...
kinda scary

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3625333&referralPlaylistId=playlist
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:03 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:maybe this is wrong thread for this but also maybe a good reason to practice,practice,practice...
kinda scary

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3625333&referralPlaylistId=playlist
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Sorry....As soon as I saw it was Sean Hannity, I simply discounted anything he reported. Hannity has about as much credibility as OJ Simpson or The Enquirer magazine.
Have anything from a reliable source?
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:15 pm

Hmmm didn't know that. we did have a group training near by here tho...
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Re: Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:19 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:Hmmm didn't know that. we did have a group training near by here tho...



I do not listen to anything reported by someone/something with a known agenda or bias, unless it can be independently verified by reliable sources.
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