Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

Self Defense Firearms Operation For Disabled/Injured

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:49 am

In watching this shootout scene, reenacting the horrible events of the FBI's Miami shootout of April/1986, I got to thinking about how many on this forum enjoy firearms use as a hobby & for home protection.
Although many of us here disagree about the basic purpose .... "Raison D'etre" of the NRA (which I say is to mainly support the profits of the firearms industry & is not a Constitutional rights advocate in its basic purpose)...None of us disagree with the self defense rights & use that firearms provide to us lawful gun owners.
Most of us are not Karate or hand to hand fighting experts or in the best fighting shape :oops: , & firearms do provide a great equalizing effect when, god forbid....we ever have to face a tough criminal/criminals to protect ourselves & families.
In that spirit, I figured I'd start a thread where we could share tips & techniques whereby a disabled or injured person would still be able to successfully operate his/her firearms in a "Worst Case" scenario, where you may not have full function of an intact body.
In that regard, if you'll watch the following movie reenactment, & pay particular attention to the operation of various weapons (handguns, shotgun, etc) by injured FBI Agents, you'll see that it is quite possible to defend yourself when injuries or disabilities would seem to render you helpless in the face of grave danger.

After the horrible events portrayed (very accurately) in the movie scene below, all firearms training & thinking (at the federal level) was changed to include "Lessons Learned" from that incident.







I wonder if any forum members have disabilities but still utilize firearms for self defense purposes & would share their expertise with the rest of us?

I went through DEA Basic Agent training back in the dark ages (1975) , at a time when most federal agents were still issued Smith & Wesson "Police Special" 38caliber 6 round revolvers. Things have changed quite a bit since then, both in terms of the firepower police face on the streets today & the viciousness of many criminals!

First though..I'll start with a bit of prologue...basic mainly common sense stuff I feel needs to be covered first.
I'll return with a few thoughts in a bit. (something to look forward too!) :P :lol:
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:11 pm

Protective Cover-Barricade Shooting:


First, I figured we should discuss what everyday "things" will provide a measure of protection from weapons you may face if attacked in your home mainly ....or on the street. Knives & firearms are the most usual weapons you may face, but anything from a baseball bat to a screwdriver to....you name it..... can be lethal. Since most of us don't sleep wearing Kevlar pajamas.....(well ok.......except for Freddy that is!! :P ), what things are readily available to quickly grab in your house for self-defense:

Defending Against a Sharp Weapon (knife, screwdriver, etc)
1. Something as simple as a towel, pillowcase, clothing,... etc can be used effectively (if wrapped around your weak side wrist & hand) to absorb a "slashing attack" by a bad guy.
2. Anything with length (baseball bat, broom, coal stove poker, etc) can be used quite successful both defensively (to keep the assailant at a distance) & for offense. (always go for your assailant's EYES as the easiest & most effective target to stop an attack)

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3. Throw something!....Anything from a book to a paperweight to a pot, to hot coffee (a great weapon!) to chunks of anthracite coal (not bituminous) :lol: ...can make your assailant duck & take his eyes off you long enough to make your escape or assist in your defense.
4. As one on my DEA group's Senior Agent used to say..."If you going to hit someone......Always use a UTENSIL! :lol:
(Although TV "Good Guys" always fight fair, you don't want to be FAIR......You want to be ALIVE after the fight!! ;)...Hit your assailant as hard as you can with ANYTHING at hand!...Spit in his face....Throw dirt....ANYTHING will trigger the natural defense mechanism of making him close his eyes....... & may just save your life!!
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PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:36 pm

Yeah, "fight fair" is kind of an oxymoron. I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do. Half the things I learned would be termed "unfair". :D

Whenever we see a movie where a guy chokes a woman to death, I turn to my wife and say, "Just poke him in the eyes".

I prefer a well placed thumb strike to the joint where your lower jaw attaches to your head. You'd be surprised at the loud "THWOCK!" that it makes as it pops out of joint. :D
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PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:39 pm

30 ft range. great for camping in big brown country..
http://www.counterassault.com/
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:00 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:30 ft range. great for camping in big brown country..
http://www.counterassault.com/


Good idea to stall/slow down an attack but I've never been a big believer in pepper, mace or other "Sprays" as a way of stopping an attack by humans. It seems to me that unless you are a great shot & hit them in the eyes, all you're going to accomplish is to......really piss them off!! :lol:
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PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:31 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:30 ft range. great for camping in big brown country..
http://www.counterassault.com/


Good idea to stall/slow down an attack but I've never been a big believer in pepper, mace or other "Sprays" as a way of stopping an attack by either criminals or animals. It seems to me that unless you are a great shot & hit them in the eyes, all you're going to accomplish is to......really piss them off!! :lol:


I understand but I researched this brand and carry it on my bike when i go way up north camping. it has the higher % and via the reports from folks that have used it on VERY large bears, it really works. The very wide fan pattern is sure to stop the bear. Note: it is fatal to humans more so than large carnivours.

The performance center version of the model 500 smith is also handy as it 17 1/2" long and weighs much. if the 400gr .50 cal slugs miss. A can of the bear spray sits incognito near the cash register in the shop just because ya never know!!!
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:56 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:The very wide fan pattern is sure to stop the bear. Note: it is fatal to humans more so than large carnivours.

The performance center version of the model 500 smith is also handy as it 17 1/2" long and weighs much. if the 400gr .50 cal slugs miss. A can of the bear spray sits incognito near the cash register in the shop just because ya never know!!!


I guess those sprays fire like a wide fog & would be good self defense weapons, but I was thinking more in terms of the little, lipstick sized versions of mace or pepper spray that many women carry as their only means of self -defense, & feel protected. These little ones spray in a little stream that I think has little chance of permanently stopping an attack. (many police carry them (bigger versions) as temporary ways of slowing down an attack or to "Motivate" someone until more cops arrive to help them, which is usually almost immediate. They are non-lethal means of TEMPORARY self defense, just as throwing sand in an assailant's face is temporary, & may buy you just a few more seconds of life! (if anyone has FBI statistics on the effectiveness of permanently stopping an attack, I'd love to see them. I'm guessing they are not very effective as a sole means of self defense when no help may be forthcoming.
As brutal, non-liberal & NEANDERTHAL as it sounds, the ONLY way I think a normal person (especially a female) has of permanently ending a serious attack, when no help is available, is simply by killing their attacker. Nothing is quite as permanent as death! :lol: :rambo2:
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:39 pm

Back to the (Broadened) original topic: :oops:


I'll end the section on knife defense by just saying that any type of shield you can quickly grab is better than just using your flesh to absorb knife slashes or stabs. ;)


On to Firearms Defenses: What Is A Good Barricade?

When I say barricade I mean...what can you hide behind to:

A. Hide yourself behind so your attacker won't be able to SEE you

and

B. What ideally may stop or slow down a bullet.




Almost anything opaque will work for "A" above, but don't let that give you false security.
(example: Running behind a Sheetrock wall or hollow door may hide you from view, but it will do nothing to prevent being killed by a few shots fired blindly through the wall or door by even a small caliber pistol)
Most of this stuff is just common sense but almost anything is better than standing out in the open.
A solid wood door, cast iron bathtub or wooden coffee table.... may very well protect you against many pistol caliber bullets & shotgun pellets (at distance) but are virtually useless against most rifle caliber rounds.

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PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:45 pm

It's been a while since I read a firearm crime statistic but I seem to recall the average number of shots fired during a home invasion was < 2.

So the odds of reloading during a firefight for the average home owner is slim to none, however, even a one armed person can use the side of a desk or table to cock the slide on a semi auto pistol. Most revolver shooters also use moon clips or speed loaders these days.

Bottom line is to practice with what you intend to use for defense, the more familiar you become with the tool the less time spent thinking during stressful situations.
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PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:09 pm

I was a Green Beret for 8 years in the Army (primary MOS Communications & Electronics, Secondary MOS Light Weapons (60mm mortar and smaller all the way to flintlocks)). I learned a lot about shooting and fighting in my tenure there. After I got out I missed it a lot, so went to Thunder Ranch in Texas (they have since moved to Oregon) for additional training/practice. I would say that Thunder Ranch offers better training than the Army did both in terms of content and facilities. I took courses from hand guns (1, 2 & 3 which includes simunitions), Urban rifle 1 & 2 (AR-15s in an urban environment), Old rifle (rifles designed before 1954) at ranges from point blank to 800 yards, Aerial Gunnery (shooting at ground targets from a hughes 500 helicopter, I made the cover of SWAT Magazine, Feb 2003 and have a great DVD of the training) and Precision Rifle 1, 2 and 3 (3 is by invitation only) which covers the use of a scoped rifle at ranges from point blank to 1400 yards. The courses include basic shooting skills to fighting skills. The skills you learn you hope you never have to use, especially building clearing.

If you are serious about learning to survive both the fight and the legal proceedings afterward, I would HIGHLY recommend a course Similar to what Thunder Ranch offers. I went into that school not expecting an awful lot, and came out with a lot of respect for Clint & Heidi Smith and all of the instructors working there.

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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:21 pm

Complete Heat wrote:If you are serious about learning to survive both the fight and the legal proceedings afterward, I would HIGHLY recommend a course Similar to what Thunder Ranch offers.


Now that';s great advice!
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PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:24 pm

Awesome Mike :

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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:41 pm

Back..Just enough time to quickly finish Barricades & move on the the intent of this topic...Disabled Shooting.

Anyway, one of the things Justice always trained new agents on was/is Left & Right Hand Barricade Shooting Technique....which simply means the best way of standing behind some type of cover & being able to shoot accuratrely from behind that cover.
The technique is similar for both positions & just depends on whether you are behind a barricade (wall,doorway or tree, etc) & firing at a threat on your left or right .

Justice Dept. Barricade Firing Technique (off the top of my head after 30+ years since training so...listen at your own risk! :lol: )

Stand up straight & align your body behind the barricade so as little is exposed to incoming fire as necessary.
Place your (non gun) hand against the barricade & extend you thumb out as a "Rest
" for your gun hand
Rest your gun hand (with gun ;) ) on your thumb as a support, aim & fire

Just reverse the hands for left vs right barricades.

As Complete Heat recommends, it's always good to take a course &/or practice, so practice firing with each hand, every time you goto the range. (there may well come a time when your strong hand is unusable & you will need to have confidence in shooting with the weak hand.

Would love to hear how the military trains for these positions if you have time Complete Heat!
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PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:04 pm

Other things to practice:

Like Black_And_ said...."
Black_And_Blue wrote:I read a firearm crime statistic but I seem to recall the average number of shots fired during a home invasion was < 2.

So the chance that you would ever have to reload is small, but...why not practice anyway? (hey.....you already lost the game of chance by being the victim of a home invasion in the first place!!....Now you're gonna play the odds again??? :no1: )

We always practiced reloading quickly & often in complete darkness. in DEA training. Most home invasions occur at night & lighting is best kept low to off anyway. (You know the layout of your house better than the home invader, so leave the lights off & you have the advantage!) On the off chance that you may need to reload (multiple invaders or you simply missed/failed to stop the attack with the first shots in all the excitement & fear) why not practice reloading in the dark?
Fist of all...it's fun ......& a challenge....... & you can try to keep improving your time! ;) (what the Hell BETTER things do you have to do at the range!! :mad: :lol: ....How many holes do you need to put into those defenseless paper targets anyway???)
I would even suggest teaching your wife how to reload your gun, even if she hates guns ...like my wife does!!
(my wife has never fired a handgun in her life, but knows how to reload my magazines for me)
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PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:29 pm

I actually do shoot both right and left handed. It does take quite a bit of practice to feel confident doing this. I'm a little better and faster right handed. I also throw knives from both sides with my left being stronger and more accurate.
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