Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:12 am

Don`t really know what all it takes to convert theM16, just used that as an example of an assult rifle. A m-14 is a very easy one to do at least on the military ones. It takes one shot to bring down most game( if it takes a lot more than that your not sure of your shot & probably shouldn`t have taken it) I guess a fully auto is great for hunting ground meat. Might as well go after fresh roal kill.
As for greed not entering into it, greed is in everything in demand. Umbrellas when it`s raining, gabage patch dolls when you couldn`t get them, gas when a false speculation was created. A shortage or demand for a product doesn`t make it cost more to produce, market or transport, lowers storage & display costs. It`s pure greed that sets the higher price a demand for a product might lessen the supply, it doesn`t raise the price.
Want to read an interesting bit on MSN money monet this morning, it explains a lot about what is happening to 401k funds & the morgage crisis thru wall st. ceo greed. Don`t know yet how accurate it is but sure sounds true.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:22 am

samhill wrote:As for greed not entering into it, greed is in everything in demand.



They just don't get it samhill. Every business in this country is tanking right now but since the NRA deliberately started this fake "They're coming to take our guns" :fear: Ad campaign, ....... the gun industry is booming! (pun intended)


No one is coming to take our guns & you will still be able to buy guns & ammo for the rest of your life.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:32 am

As usual Devil, you ignore what doesn't fit your model. The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011. After that, it's a $1000/round fine. Microstamping also makes reloading illegal because the guy in his basement isn't set up for it. Then put a $.05 tax\round and add in the proposed million dollar insurance policy and an AG who is on record as opposing the Second Amendment and you have a de facto ban on legal guns. Criminals generally don't care about laws so this probably won't hurt them. And once the 2A is gone, expect the rest to follow.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:01 am

jpete wrote:The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost.



Even if you are right, the increase in expense to the average gun owner per year will be less than a few of those pizzas you eat to many of, & if it helps put away some dangerous criminals, it's well worth it ! :P :lol: (where do you get this crap from???...NRA?...Fox Noise??)
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:25 am

Your feeble attempts to discredit the truth by attacking me are getting old Devil. I don't own a gun, am not a member of the NRA, and sure as s**t don't watch Faux News. As I said, criminals by definition don't adhere to the law so the only people this affects are lawful gun owners. And I know guys who buy 1000 rounds a months and have thousands of rounds on hand. All of it must be destroyed by 2011. I assure you the investment goes well beyond the price of a pizza. The simple fact is throughout history, the first thing a dictator does is take away the weapons. Obama is doing just that. You just don't care because it doesn't matter to you. But I'll bet you were upset when GWB and Alberto Gonzalez said torture was legal. Now when BHO and Eric Holder want to take away the 2A, you roll over so they can scratch your belly like a little puppy. Maybe universal healthcare can cure you of the sickness known as ignorance and apathy.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:06 pm

coal berner wrote:First it is not that easy to correctly convert a Semi Auto AR-15 to a Full Auto M16 you need 5 of The M16 Parts Plus the Receiver has to be machined out for the selector. which are all Resticted Parts and are controlled By The ATF the only legal way is if you hold a class 3 FFL or go threw a class 3 FFL Dealer and pay your 200 dollar Tax Stamp and all of the paper work and then you have to Pass a criminal background check and then put out 8 to 10k for a rifle or a Auto sear The Fed law on Full auto firearms has been on the books since 1934 before then anyone good own and buy one .


IIRC unless the weapon was papered prior to NFA, there is no way the average citizen can legally own it after being converted to full auto. Police and military could purchase it, but not John Q. Public, it must be a papered weapon or DEWAT to begin with.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:25 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost.



Even if you are right, the increase in expense to the average gun owner per year will be less than a few of those pizzas you eat to many of, & if it helps put away some dangerous criminals, (where do you get this crap from???...NRA?...Fox Noise??)


So now you are stereotyping gun owners as being fat pizza eaters. You really think it will put away dangerous criminals? Maybe they will start taxing you on all of the crap that you type and I'm certain you'll be very happy about that as well. Don't blame the NRA and Fox :nono: Blame Liberals such as yourself for causing the gun and ammo sales.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:32 pm

jpete wrote: Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011. After that, it's a $1000/round fine.


Do you have any links for that? Because all the information on current laws and proposed laws (that are not just rumors) I could find are not about marking the ammunition at the manufacturing facility but making the firing pin able to mark the shell when the gun is fired. (this is only what I could find, not necessarily actually fact).

It seems to me, to mark the shell at the factory before it is fired would not track it to the particular weapon that fired it.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:35 pm

Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011.


There is no such law. The last time one was in the pipeline was in 2008 while your beloved ShrubCo was preznit in 2008. It never went anywhere (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.x ... =h110-5266).

Further, your fear mongering is misguided and frankly, incorrect. The microstamping technology requires the firing pin to be embossed with an identifier which leaves a mark on the cartridge. It is not a technology that embellishes each bullet with a unique identifier. Your precious bullets are safe. If such a law was to take effect (and the chances of it happening are probably pretty slim), it would only affect guns manufactured after such a time it becomes law.

So, continue your buying spree - the NRA and ammunition manufacturers thank you for not bothering to become informed citizens.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:46 pm

Do a search on Ammunition Accountability Act


http://nationalgunrights.org/ammoaccountability.shtml
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:49 pm

tvb wrote:
Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011.


There is no such law. The last time one was in the pipeline was in 2008 while your beloved ShrubCo was preznit in 2008. It never went anywhere (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.x ... =h110-5266).

Further, your fear mongering is misguided and frankly, incorrect. The microstamping technology requires the firing pin to be embossed with an identifier which leaves a mark on the cartridge. It is not a technology that embellishes each bullet with a unique identifier. Your precious bullets are safe. If such a law was to take effect (and the chances of it happening are probably pretty slim), it would only affect guns manufactured after such a time it becomes law.

So, continue your buying spree - the NRA and ammunition manufacturers thank you for not bothering to become informed citizens.


Thanks for the advice. I'll buy as much as I can.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:28 pm

jpete wrote:Your feeble attempts to discredit the truth by attacking me are getting old Devil.


SuperBeetle wrote:So now you are stereotyping gun owners as being fat pizza eaters



If you guys can't take a little :poke: ......Then maybe you shouldn't be playing hardball.
(the girls are playing Hop Scotch down the street!) :P :lol:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:39 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:Your feeble attempts to discredit the truth by attacking me are getting old Devil.


SuperBeetle wrote:So now you are stereotyping gun owners as being fat pizza eaters



If you guys can't take a little :poke: ......Then maybe you shouldn't be playing hardball.
(the girls are playing Hop Scotch down the street!) :P :lol:


Bring it on...............I had pizza for lunch :box: and now I need to check my ammo supply. I don't think I have enough :doh: Don't worry though, I'll be getting more very very soon. :yes:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:42 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:Maybe they will start taxing you on all of the crap that you type and I'm certain you'll be very happy about that as well.


That would pay off Obama's $2 trillion package in a hurry! ;)
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:08 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:Bring it on...............I had pizza for lunch :box:


I saw what you were eating! (it wasn't pizza...... it was French Croissants & dainty little finger sandwiches) :inlove: :fear: :devil:
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