Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:34 pm

tvb wrote:


Okay and Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't a member of Diner's Club to the best of my knowledge but he had some strange eating habits anyway!




Should you wish to continue making accusations about me, please start another thread in Flamesuit Central!
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:56 pm

UpStateMike wrote:Good luck with anyone who would want to confiscate my old ammo. I'll give it to them 1 bullet at a time.

I love my 1945 Mosin Nagant. Those Ruskies build a good gun.
I like my 1944 mosin also. The second amendment was designed to protect us from a tyrannical government. See my signature for the rest. I did not own a gun until I became fearful of the government that seems to scare the living daylights out of everybody, especially wall street. If you think wall street is only Thurstan Howell III and the Duke brothers from Trading places, you are very naieve. Just look at your 401K or should I say your 201K. Every time that mother F@#$%r opens his mouth, the stock market drops 200 points. At some point the s@#$ is going to hit the fan! :mad:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:04 pm

Well, bummer, I wrote a nice reply totally debunking the AAA folks and it went away in space. I'll try again -

The AAA website folks (really just three people from what I can discern) are the same people who hold a patent to what is allegedly ammo marking technology. They have a significant financial interest in it getting publicity and perhaps one day, becoming law.

Anyone can put up a website, claim whatever they want, and with a little bit of work and ingenuity start an internet rumor.

And the bills they claim to have support on? They wrote the sample legislation and have simply gotten lawmakers to sign on. It's a pretty easy thing to do - I've done it in the past with proclamations. You want to proclaim tomorrow or one day next month "Purple spotted pink lizard day in PA"? Call your local lawmaker in Harrisburg, ask nicely, provide the already written proclamation and changes are, you'll have yourself a signed proclamation before too long. It's the same with bills that will never make it out of committee - many a lawmaker is willing to put their name on something they know will never make it anywhere. Bills that simply waste paper are probably 95% of the state lawmaker business. You only need one sponsor to get it introduced. And you only need a few well-placed emails and a website to start an internet rumor.

Here's the NRA take on why the ammo marking isn't going anywhere:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=311&issue=100
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
It's a decent article that explains some of the tech limitations on what the internet rumors claim is the future of "gun control".

And here is a good article from the non-partisan org Fact Check
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_states_going_to_require_serial_numbers.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:34 pm

e.alleg wrote:They make the 7.62x54R in 125gr, 150gr, and even 205gr to suit most situations. Most of it is surplus corrosive ammo but you should clean your gun anyways. The 7.62x39 isn't really that good a deal anymore. When you could buy a 1000 round case for $89 it was a great bargain for plinking with a AK clone or SKS, now at $300 for 1000 rounds it isn't the best choice. For hunting the 30-30 lever action is better as they come drilled for a scope. Try putting a scope on a SKS, it can be done but what a mess. For home defense a 12 gauge is best, the state troopers all have them on the front seat. Some use #4 hevi-shot, some use 00 buck.

They make 110 grs to 220 grs bullets for 30 cal you can load whatever you want in a 308 win or 30-06 or any 30cal
for that matter . I am not knocking the 7.62x54R I own three two nagants rifle & carbine and a STV 40 rifle . also have
several M1 Garands M1 cabines M1A1 03 Springfields & 03A3 Springfields
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:08 pm

jpete wrote:As usual Devil, you ignore what doesn't fit your model. The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011. After that, it's a $1000/round fine. Microstamping also makes reloading illegal because the guy in his basement isn't set up for it. Then put a $.05 tax\round and add in the proposed million dollar insurance policy and an AG who is on record as opposing the Second Amendment and you have a de facto ban on legal guns. Criminals generally don't care about laws so this probably won't hurt them. And once the 2A is gone, expect the rest to follow.

They started back in 93 to 98 Trying to Tag ammo when slick willy was in office never went threw But adding a figerprint
to the firearm and the casing it fired did pass every firearm that has been tested at the factory will have several emtpy
cases one is kept at the factory one is sent to the ATF and one is sold with the firearm each firearm will have a new set of numbers in the slide or on the frame very small but there which matches the empty case that was fired each firearm has it's own figerprint when fired the firing pin strike has its own figerprint leaving it on the empty case makes it easier to identifiy the firearm that shot the round .They started that in the late 90s
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:32 pm

coal berner wrote:
jpete wrote:As usual Devil, you ignore what doesn't fit your model. The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011. After that, it's a $1000/round fine. Microstamping also makes reloading illegal because the guy in his basement isn't set up for it. Then put a $.05 tax\round and add in the proposed million dollar insurance policy and an AG who is on record as opposing the Second Amendment and you have a de facto ban on legal guns. Criminals generally don't care about laws so this probably won't hurt them. And once the 2A is gone, expect the rest to follow.

They started back in 93 to 98 Trying to Tag ammo when slick willy was in office never went threw But adding a figerprint
to the firearm and the casing it fired did pass every firearm that has been tested at the factory will have several emtpy
cases one is kept at the factory one is sent to the ATF and one is sold with the firearm each firearm will have a new set of numbers in the slide or on the frame very small but there which matches the empty case that was fired each firearm has it's own figerprint when fired the firing pin strike has its own figerprint leaving it on the empty case makes it easier to identifiy the firearm that shot the round .They started that in the late 90s
A small round file will solve that problem. 8-)
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:37 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:That's what I figured. I guess you really are a TVB :poke:


Fighting with the men on this forum a little to tough?...Now you're going after the girls? :box: :devil: :rambo:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:41 pm

Duengeon master wrote:
coal berner wrote:
jpete wrote:As usual Devil, you ignore what doesn't fit your model. The government doesn't have to "take" your guns. They just need to make it so expensive that the average person can't afford them. Obama's microstamping law requires all ammo to be stamped. That adds manufacturing cost. On top of that, all non stamped ammo has to be destroyed by 2011. After that, it's a $1000/round fine. Microstamping also makes reloading illegal because the guy in his basement isn't set up for it. Then put a $.05 tax\round and add in the proposed million dollar insurance policy and an AG who is on record as opposing the Second Amendment and you have a de facto ban on legal guns. Criminals generally don't care about laws so this probably won't hurt them. And once the 2A is gone, expect the rest to follow.

They started back in 93 to 98 Trying to Tag ammo when slick willy was in office never went threw But adding a figerprint
to the firearm and the casing it fired did pass every firearm that has been tested at the factory will have several emtpy
cases one is kept at the factory one is sent to the ATF and one is sold with the firearm each firearm will have a new set of numbers in the slide or on the frame very small but there which matches the empty case that was fired each firearm has it's own figerprint when fired the firing pin strike has its own figerprint leaving it on the empty case makes it easier to identifiy the firearm that shot the round .They started that in the late 90s
A small round file will solve that problem. 8-)

Changing out the barrel and firing pin would be better ;)
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:44 pm

Both of which I am sure would be illegal with the new laws.

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:47 pm

KLook wrote:Both of which I am sure would be illegal with the new laws.

Kevin

No law Yet on buying replament parts for you gun. Only on full auto parts.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:49 pm

Yet is the operative word.

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:53 pm

NRA...Kaaaching!
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:54 pm

Devil505 wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:That's what I figured. I guess you really are a TVB :poke:


Fighting with the men on this forum a little to tough?...Now you're going after the girls? :box: :devil: :rambo:


Nope. She came "after" me.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:56 pm

KLook wrote:Yet is the operative word.

Kevin

Your Right on that and it is coming along with a ton of other laws that will not do a dam thing to the criminals only to the law abiding citizens will have more of there rights taking away .
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:57 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:Nope. She came "after" me.


Yes officer....I tell you...That little old lady started it!!....She tripped me first! :mad: :P :nono: :fear: :devil: :funny: !
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