Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

Devil505 wrote:

SuperBeetle wrote:That's what I figured. I guess you really are a TVB

Fighting with the men on this forum a little to tough?...Now you're going after the girls?

Nope. She came "after" me.

KLook wrote:Yet is the operative word.

Kevin

Your Right on that and it is coming along with a ton of other laws that will not do a dam thing to the criminals only to the law abiding citizens will have more of there rights taking away .

SuperBeetle wrote:Nope. She came "after" me.

Yes officer....I tell you...That little old lady started it!!....She tripped me first! !

Devil505 wrote:

SuperBeetle wrote:Nope. She came "after" me.

Yes officer....I tell you...The little old lady started it!!....She tripped me! !

Ya know I really don't care if she is old like you. She wants to attack me that's fine. I will defend myself no matter if it's you or an old lady.

SuperBeetle wrote:I will defend myself no matter if it's you or an old lady.

Just giving you the

The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.

Wow. I haven't had grown men fight over me in some time.

Well, at least since I turned 95 and grew to 900 lbs.

Both of them are blind now... sharp sticks and eye thing... 95&9 is no problem for either of em!

e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this!

jpete wrote:

e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this!

Here's one response: Read Linclon's Cooper Union Address to shed light on what the founders thought of slavery:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... cooper.htm

coal berner wrote:So any weapon made before 1986 is legal any after is not transferable to the public only dealer to dealer.

Any weapon that was registered as an automatic with papers in 1986 is legal, you can not paper a weapon that you import or find in an attic. The supply was capped in '86, inventory is about 300,000 legal weapons IIRC.

That was an interesting read Ashcat. Thanks.

Kevin

Ashcat wrote:

jpete wrote:

e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this!

Here's one response: Read Linclon's Cooper Union Address to shed light on what the founders thought of slavery:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... cooper.htm

You'd probably be appalled at my thoughts on Lincoln so trying to convince me with his words is a bit of a non starter.

I still didn't see anything in there supporting the claim that the 2A was to protect slave owners from slaves.

Most of "the 39" knew that slavery was immoral but also knew the country wasn't ready for abolition.

But they also knew that guns keep men free. They just fought a war against a government that tried to take their guns away, by making laws to make guns too expensive to use. That's why we had to buy them from the French. Enemy of my enemy and all.....

I usually try to stay awhile from Flame Central but I couldn't believe what I was reading!

jpete wrote:

e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this!

E.alleg - your statement is clearly revisionist history and erroneous on so many levels I hardly know where to begin. You are overlooking that fact that life on the American frontier was a daily crap shoot between the Native Americans and other hazards. Most of the signers of the Constitution had lived not only through the Revolution but also the French and Indian War. These guys knew well the need for an armed population and it wasn't to protect themselves from revolting slaves. Guns were a matter of life and death and something a young man saved many years for. To be able to buy a gun was a right of passage. The cost of a gun alone would have been enough to disallow their purchase by slaves in the late 1700s. On top of that the numbers of slaves in the US at that time just aren’t there to support your statement. Yes, slavery was present at the time but not in the huge numbers of the mid-1800s and certainly not in the numbers to support an armed upraising if the slaves could have gotten guns.

The bottom line or meat and potatoes is that the founding fathers were torn between maintaining an economic system that was working to their advantage and eliminating a morally wrong practice. They were expedient in allowing slavery to continue because without the votes of the “slave” states the Constitution would never have passed. A little more research on you part will show this to you. At the time fear of a slave revolt wasn't a major concern in anyone's mind.

I read the entire speech and all I got out of it was that Lincoln researched the signers and determined that a majority of them were against slavery. Other then references to Harpers Ferry not being a Republican cause, he made no mention of guns or gun rights. Did I miss something in my haste?

Kevin