Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:01 pm

Devil505 wrote:
SuperBeetle wrote:Nope. She came "after" me.


Yes officer....I tell you...The little old lady started it!!....She tripped me! :P :nono: :fear: :devil: :funny: !


Ya know I really don't care if she is old like you. She wants to attack me that's fine. I will defend myself no matter if it's you or an old lady.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:08 pm

SuperBeetle wrote:I will defend myself no matter if it's you or an old lady.


Just giving you the :poke:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: e.alleg On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:23 pm

The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:04 pm

Wow. I haven't had grown men fight over me in some time. :roll:

Well, at least since I turned 95 and grew to 900 lbs.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:17 pm

Both of them are blind now... sharp sticks and eye thing... 95&9 is no problem for either of em! :lol:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:21 pm

e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.


I don't even know how to respond to something like this! :shock:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Ashcat On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:15 pm

jpete wrote:
e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.


I don't even know how to respond to something like this! :shock:

Here's one response: Read Linclon's Cooper Union Address to shed light on what the founders thought of slavery:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... cooper.htm
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:48 pm

coal berner wrote:So any weapon made before 1986 is legal any after is not transferable to the public only dealer to dealer.


Any weapon that was registered as an automatic with papers in 1986 is legal, you can not paper a weapon that you import or find in an attic. The supply was capped in '86, inventory is about 300,000 legal weapons IIRC.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:08 pm

That was an interesting read Ashcat. Thanks.

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:46 am

Ashcat wrote:
jpete wrote:
e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.


I don't even know how to respond to something like this! :shock:

Here's one response: Read Linclon's Cooper Union Address to shed light on what the founders thought of slavery:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... cooper.htm


You'd probably be appalled at my thoughts on Lincoln so trying to convince me with his words is a bit of a non starter.

I still didn't see anything in there supporting the claim that the 2A was to protect slave owners from slaves.

Most of "the 39" knew that slavery was immoral but also knew the country wasn't ready for abolition.

But they also knew that guns keep men free. They just fought a war against a government that tried to take their guns away, by making laws to make guns too expensive to use. That's why we had to buy them from the French. Enemy of my enemy and all.....
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:33 am

I usually try to stay awhile from Flame Central but I couldn't believe what I was reading!

jpete wrote:
e.alleg wrote:The second amendment was to protect slave owners from revolting slaves. Believe what you want but that's the real meat and potatoes of it.


I don't even know how to respond to something like this! :shock:


E.alleg - your statement is clearly revisionist history and erroneous on so many levels I hardly know where to begin. You are overlooking that fact that life on the American frontier was a daily crap shoot between the Native Americans and other hazards. Most of the signers of the Constitution had lived not only through the Revolution but also the French and Indian War. These guys knew well the need for an armed population and it wasn't to protect themselves from revolting slaves. Guns were a matter of life and death and something a young man saved many years for. To be able to buy a gun was a right of passage. The cost of a gun alone would have been enough to disallow their purchase by slaves in the late 1700s. On top of that the numbers of slaves in the US at that time just aren’t there to support your statement. Yes, slavery was present at the time but not in the huge numbers of the mid-1800s and certainly not in the numbers to support an armed upraising if the slaves could have gotten guns.

The bottom line or meat and potatoes is that the founding fathers were torn between maintaining an economic system that was working to their advantage and eliminating a morally wrong practice. They were expedient in allowing slavery to continue because without the votes of the “slave” states the Constitution would never have passed. A little more research on you part will show this to you. At the time fear of a slave revolt wasn't a major concern in anyone's mind.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:07 pm

I read the entire speech and all I got out of it was that Lincoln researched the signers and determined that a majority of them were against slavery. Other then references to Harpers Ferry not being a Republican cause, he made no mention of guns or gun rights. Did I miss something in my haste?

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:40 pm

It's not about hunting, and even if it were...

AR15 shoots the rough equivalent of the .223 remington, which is a fairly neat varmint round. Great for coyotes and like sized game. Some use it for deer. The M1A1 fires a rough equivalent of the .308, and that is a nice round for deer. Most of the "civilian" versions (semiauto only, and would need extensive illegal machine work and some full auto parts that are illegal to possess without a licensed full auto as well), fire the .223 or 5.56mm in AR15. There is some discussion in various places regarding interchanging .308 and 7.62mm rounds in firearms.

The M1 rifle actually shoots the 30-06 Springfield, and I don't think any round has killed more deer and large game in the USA than the 30-06.

So, please explain for me the difference between my Remington 7400 30-06, and my Stag Arms AR15, besides the fact that a person would be a whole lot more hurt being shot with the 7400 than the AR15. Likely wounded with the 5.56mm, most likely really dead with the 30-06.

"High powered", "deadly"? Rubbish.

Moving vans loaded with ANFO are deadly, guns are just guns. Jumbo jets full of people are deadly.


samhill wrote:I don`t want to give the wrong impression, I own several guns myself, am a vn vet & have a right to carry permit since 1969. I just gave my opinion as to why the sudden run on ammo. Seen it before, don`t know what will happen I hear all kind of things but have heard most before. I think it`s greed plain & simple. It scares me a little when all these people that have never even thought about owning a gun feel the sudden need to run out & buy. I think most people will never need one but most people should have one & learn how & when to use. That being said I see no need for a weapon that can be easily turned into a fully automatic or the ar 15 & the like. I`ve shot them all but you can`t use them to hunt so what do you need tham for? Seems like a lot of people have way too much money to spend. If you don`t have enough & want one send me the extra gold that everyone has laying around & I promise to send you back a fair price by check. Thank-you
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:58 pm

AR-15 5.56mm same Round as 223 Remington No differents
MI Garand 7.62x63mm same Round as 30-06 Springfield No differents
M1A1 Semi Auto / M14 Full & Semi Auto 7.62x51mm Nato same Round as the 308 Winchester No differents
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: e.alleg On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:17 am

There is a difference, the military rounds have a higher pressure than the civilian rounds. With the AR-15 If you have a receiver marked 5.56 you can shoot any .223 no problem. If your receiver is marked .223 you shouldn't use 5.56 military rounds as the pressure is higher. Can you do it in a pinch? Sure, the differences are small. It's just like burning pea coal in your EFM 520. You can do it and it will be fine for a while, but you'll pay later.
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