Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:22 pm

Today I went by the sporting goods dept to get some target ammo since spring is right around the corner.There was very little ammo left on the shelves.He had some 17's,22's,and 2 boxes of 30-06.That was about it.I asked where it went and was told it is selling faster than he can get it .Prices are up also.He had no 38 special,no 30-30,no243,no 35 Remington etc.etc He said a customer came in yesterday and bought $535. worth of 30-06.one shot [pardon the pun] Wow. I must be missing something,maybe everybody feels the ammo will be curtailed or taxed or red taped out of existence.I came away empty. Whatcha think the reason could be? Mike
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:29 pm

The Savior is going to apply the same solution to guns and ammo that he is to tobacco. He is going to tax the living crap out of it. I know many of us have been stockpiling supplies since the electon.

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:03 pm

It`s the same every election the ammo & gun manufacturers with the help of the nra put out a line of fear. Greed is the reason why, sell more ammo, guns & nra memberships. It`s all about the easy money.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:10 pm

samhill wrote:It`s the same every election the ammo & gun manufacturers with the help of the nra put out a line of fear. Greed is the reason why, sell more ammo, guns & nra memberships. It`s all about the easy money.


When was the last time we had a president who wants to make ammo more expensive by micro stamping and taxing, a Congressman(from Illinois BTW) who wants gun owners to have a one million dollar insurance policy and an Att'y General who doesn't believe in the Second Amendment.

I think Alberto Gonzales showed what can happen with a strong willed executive and a compliant AG.

I'm looking at a shotgun right now. Never owned a gun, never wanted a gun, but if you can't protect your stuff, it ain't yours long. That goes for your stuff and your rights.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:27 pm

Thats ok samhill, look at it this way. I just spend the money I save by not smoking pot or tobacco. And so far my hobby is legal.

Kevin
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: mr1precision On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:46 pm

I think its because many people have a very uneasy feeling about the direction of this counrty. Plus there are lots of people that are financially desperate and willing to resort to stealing or other violent crimes and folks are just bracing themselves for it.
That's my take on it anyway. :rambo3:
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:47 pm

I don`t want to give the wrong impression, I own several guns myself, am a vn vet & have a right to carry permit since 1969. I just gave my opinion as to why the sudden run on ammo. Seen it before, don`t know what will happen I hear all kind of things but have heard most before. I think it`s greed plain & simple. It scares me a little when all these people that have never even thought about owning a gun feel the sudden need to run out & buy. I think most people will never need one but most people should have one & learn how & when to use. That being said I see no need for a weapon that can be easily turned into a fully automatic or the ar 15 & the like. I`ve shot them all but you can`t use them to hunt so what do you need tham for? Seems like a lot of people have way too much money to spend. If you don`t have enough & want one send me the extra gold that everyone has laying around & I promise to send you back a fair price by check. Thank-you
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: acesover On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 pm

A Mossburg 500, 12ga and 00 buck will see you through.
Ray
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: e.alleg On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:10 pm

The only problem with owning a gun is not owning more than one. I own guns. :) I like the Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54R. Both the Rifle and Carbine can be had for less than $200 each, if you get a C&R license they can be mail ordered for $89. Same power as a 30.06 maybe a little more. Still cheap and good for hunting at both long and close range. You can still get cheap FMJ steel core (don't even think of calling it ar mour pier cing or sn i p er )ammo for it too which reduces the chance of lead poisoning in your meat. The run on ammo is caused by greed mongers stockpiling it. Makes the price go up.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: gambler On: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:21 pm

acesover wrote:A Mossburg 500, 12ga and 00 buck will see you through.
Ray


00 buck is a good choice but for in the house use I prefer #6 shot.
Has more of a shredding effect at 10-15ft.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:11 am

e.alleg wrote:The only problem with owning a gun is not owning more than one. I own guns. :) I like the Mosin-Nagant 7.62x54R. Both the Rifle and Carbine can be had for less than $200 each, if you get a C&R license they can be mail ordered for $89. Same power as a 30.06 maybe a little more. Still cheap and good for hunting at both long and close range. You can still get cheap FMJ steel core (don't even think of calling it ar mour pier cing or sn i p er )ammo for it too which reduces the chance of lead poisoning in your meat. The run on ammo is caused by greed mongers stockpiling it. Makes the price go up.

The 7.62 x 54mm R has a little more balistics in some loads then are 7.62 x 51mm Nato / 308 Win
But Not the 7.62 x 63 mm / 30-06 springfield
The 7.62x39 has about the same balistics as the 30-30 Win
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: e.alleg On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:28 am

They make the 7.62x54R in 125gr, 150gr, and even 205gr to suit most situations. Most of it is surplus corrosive ammo but you should clean your gun anyways. The 7.62x39 isn't really that good a deal anymore. When you could buy a 1000 round case for $89 it was a great bargain for plinking with a AK clone or SKS, now at $300 for 1000 rounds it isn't the best choice. For hunting the 30-30 lever action is better as they come drilled for a scope. Try putting a scope on a SKS, it can be done but what a mess. For home defense a 12 gauge is best, the state troopers all have them on the front seat. Some use #4 hevi-shot, some use 00 buck.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:01 am

samhill wrote:I don`t want to give the wrong impression, I own several guns myself, am a vn vet & have a right to carry permit since 1969. I just gave my opinion as to why the sudden run on ammo. Seen it before, don`t know what will happen I hear all kind of things but have heard most before. I think it`s greed plain & simple. It scares me a little when all these people that have never even thought about owning a gun feel the sudden need to run out & buy. I think most people will never need one but most people should have one & learn how & when to use. That being said I see no need for a weapon that can be easily turned into a fully automatic or the ar 15 & the like. I`ve shot them all but you can`t use them to hunt so what do you need tham for? Seems like a lot of people have way too much money to spend. If you don`t have enough & want one send me the extra gold that everyone has laying around & I promise to send you back a fair price by check. Thank-you


First, thank you for your service to this country, it has a deep personal meaning to me.

Secondly, with all due respect, I would like to challenge your argument.

A "run" on any commodity is based on something. Greed in this case is not one of them.

There is a "gut" feeling among the average citizen that should be rightly followed, it's based on Liberty and self preservation. Genuine fear that it will be impeded.

Being a veteran you know what a firearm is for, sport hunting game is recreational and it's not why the Founding Fathers enumerated weapons to parchment.

As for gold or silver for that matter, they are the only true stores of wealth. History is replete with examples of fiat currencies that have failed. Don't assume it can never happen here.
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:04 am

e.alleg wrote:They make the 7.62x54R in 125gr, 150gr, and even 205gr to suit most situations. Most of it is surplus corrosive ammo but you should clean your gun anyways. The 7.62x39 isn't really that good a deal anymore. When you could buy a 1000 round case for $89 it was a great bargain for plinking with a AK clone or SKS, now at $300 for 1000 rounds it isn't the best choice. For hunting the 30-30 lever action is better as they come drilled for a scope. Try putting a scope on a SKS, it can be done but what a mess. For home defense a 12 gauge is best, the state troopers all have them on the front seat. Some use #4 hevi-shot, some use 00 buck.

I spent 35 years in the business and put a lot of scope's on sks all you need is to buy the dust cover with the scope rail on
it add your rings and scope your done. Not the best place to mount a scope if you want to keep it zeroed the cover likes to move. The barrel mount is better . I used to by chinese sks rifle back in the late 70's & 80s for 29.95 if I bought 10 or more from the importer ammo was 30.00 bucks for 1200 rds 35.00 for 1400 rds cases remember the black Advance Tecnology folding stocks 19.95. The Russian SKS was 49.95 back in the 80s knife blade bayonet much better Quality then the chinese knock off.AKM AKS used to be 149.95 Polytec legend machined receiver. When They started to Import 7.62x54R back in the 50s you could by the rifle for 6.00 bucks the ammo was .1 cent a Rd. The good old days :D
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Re: Ammo Shelf,Why So Empty?

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:22 am

samhill wrote:I don`t want to give the wrong impression, I own several guns myself, am a vn vet & have a right to carry permit since 1969. I just gave my opinion as to why the sudden run on ammo. Seen it before, don`t know what will happen I hear all kind of things but have heard most before. I think it`s greed plain & simple. It scares me a little when all these people that have never even thought about owning a gun feel the sudden need to run out & buy. I think most people will never need one but most people should have one & learn how & when to use. That being said I see no need for a weapon that can be easily turned into a fully automatic or the ar 15 & the like. I`ve shot them all but you can`t use them to hunt so what do you need tham for? Seems like a lot of people have way too much money to spend. If you don`t have enough & want one send me the extra gold that everyone has laying around & I promise to send you back a fair price by check. Thank-you

First it is not that easy to correctly convert a Semi Auto AR-15 to a Full Auto M16 you need 5 of The M16 Parts Plus the Receiver has to be machined out for the selector. which are all Resticted Parts and are controlled By The ATF the only legal way is if you hold a class 3 FFL or go threw a class 3 FFL Dealer and pay your 200 dollar Tax Stamp and all of the paper work and then you have to Pass a criminal background check and then put out 8 to 10k for a rifle or a Auto sear The Fed law on Full auto firearms has been on the books since 1934 before then anyone good own and buy one .
Now anyone that decides to convert one on there own and gets caught with it will be going to Fedral Prison for a Mandatory 10 Years with a 30K fine for just having it that also goes just for any of the parts you do not just need to have the firearm Just having any of the M16 parts are illegal . Oh And by the way there are only a few States in the US that you can not use a semi auto for hunting and there are still a few Southern States where it is legal to use a Full Auto for hunting 5 or 10 Rd mags Max
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