Pistol of Choice

Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:04 pm

Anyone who hasn't fired a handgun would be a beginner, because they are just beginning to shoot a handgun. Age does not impose a set of skills needed to successfully manipulate a handgun, or any gun, in a gunfight or on a range, especially given all the possibilities of the things that can go wrong, such as having your shooting hand disabled, having a malfunction with the weapon, running out of ammo(that is not a malfunction, rather a reality of shooting a lot of bullets, but you better be able to reload quickly while still keeping your eyes and mind in the fight), shooting from unusual positions (such as laying on your back, your side, your stomach, your knees, while moving), shooting around barricades, reloading single handed, clearing malfunctions single handed, shooting in low light/no light situations, proper use of a flashlight with a gun, what to do with a person if you get verbal compliance. Being 45 does not qualify you for that, all it qualifies you for is waking up sore for no reason.

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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:27 pm

Cap wrote:
For beginners, a .22 caliber revolver would be the place to start. It could be a home self defense gun and certainly a target gun for a beginner.


Who is a beginner when we are talking handguns? I don't get it? If I am 12yrs old than maybe I am a beginner. If I am an adult, and never owned a firearm, am I a beginner? .22 handgun for a beginner who may be 45 yrs old? Maybe for my kid at Christmas, I'd prefer a a gun with a load that doesn't require a head shot or my 870.


A beginner is a beginner. Adults can be beginners and kids can be experts. It all boils down to experience. No experience=beginner.

Adult beginners should start with .22 pistols, IMO. they may be able to advance faster than a kid however. You also shouldn't start anyone out with a full cylinder or magazine. Single shots are best until the beginner gains some experience.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: e.alleg On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:52 pm

When I lived in suburbia with 30,000 people per square mile and 5,000 cops I didn't own a gun. A call to 911 would bring officers in seconds. Where I live now there are 50 people per sq. mile and the state police are at best 30 minutes away, they could be over an hour away at any given time. When "Bucky" Phillips was on the loose nobody was scared, we all have guns. To live in a rural setting and not own a gun is foolish if you ask me. I've never pointed a gun at anyone. Back in High School I was driving my POS Dodge Dart with busted windshield and I got stopped for what I thought would be a windshield ticket. 6 cop cars. The cops all had their guns trained on me and they made me open the door slowly and lay on the road. I was cuffed and had a 10mm pressed to my head for like 10 minutes until they finally figured out they had the wrong suspect. They all left except "good cop" said he will do me a favor and not bust me for the broken windshield and the roaches in the ash tray. Gee thanks, my request for a new pair of underwear went unanswered. It was surreal, I was afraid to leave the house for a while after that.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Kendrickson On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:13 pm

e.alleg wrote:When I lived in suburbia with 30,000 people per square mile and 5,000 cops I didn't own a gun. A call to 911 would bring officers in seconds.

In my humble opinion, you are even more likely to need a firearm when living in an urban area. Cops are unlikely to arrive at your home in enough time to save your life if it was threatened, and if you are assaulted on the street you will probably have only enough time to draw your weapon, not dial 911 and wait for a cop. That said, a firearm is not the solution for every situation. It's just important to remember that officers rarely stop a crime in progress. They usually arrive after the crime has been committed.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:07 am

I think the best advice I could offer (& the way the U.S. Justice Dept trains all its agents) is:
1. To never put your finger on the actual trigger of whatever firearm you use, until you have decided that you are going to shoot. (Keep your trigger finger completely out of the trigger housing/guard )
This gives you an extra split second to think
2. Keep your weapon in Double Action: mode. (Do not cock the hammer)
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:29 pm

All gun safety programs teach that Devil. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are pointing at your target and you intend to destroy your target. It keeps you from shooting yourself in addition to whatever else is in front of the gun until it is pointing at the target. As to what is a beginner, I have fired guns all my life, I have fired various hadguns all my life. But I am a beginner/novice when utilizing one for self defense or carrying concealed. As far as using any gun in a tense situation goes, I have not practiced with my shotgun rolling around on the floor. I have not practiced combat situations with any gun. How any individual reacts/responds to stressful situations is not necessarily improved with practice that is not stressful or real. I am sure it helps to be familiar with the gun of choice. I have proven myself in stressful emergency situations and I have seen people just tune out, freeze, panic. I am sure those same people would have dificulty performing in the dark, with a gun, someone in the house. That is for the individual to decide and many decide not to have firearms. Not all of us can get the kind of training that is being used for law enforcment or the on the job training our military boys are getting. Suffice to say, if I was a thief, I would not choose to break into a veterans home.
Bottom line, get some training and instruction and stay familiar with your gun(s) of choice and do your best.

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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:08 pm

Back to op
horrible thing happened today..

sad to point out my reason for revolver is chance of jamb is less than pistol. shame it didnt jamb befor he comitted murder. :(

"He said the man exchanged words with pastor Fred Winters, pulled out a .45-caliber handgun and shot Winters once, fatally wounding him, before the gun jammed.
The attacker then pulled out a knife and wounded himself."
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:49 pm

KLook wrote:All gun safety programs teach that Devil. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are pointing at your target and you intend to destroy your target.


I hope that is true, but I have never taken a non-government firearms training course so I was/am unaware of that. Still....It's a good thing to point out & practice for all gun users.

KLook wrote:How any individual reacts/responds to stressful situations is not necessarily improved with practice that is not stressful or real.

While that is true, much of our (LEO) training was made as stressful as a non-life threatening situation can be made, & many of the techniques & practices will become automatic responses if practiced enough. (my middle daughter is checking into taking a tactical..Home Protection type course here
http://www.americanfirearmsschool.com/Pricing.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
with my encouragement.


Edit:
To show how stress can be added to a training scenario, I'll re-post this (rather long) "Stress & Decision" training we went though called "Hogans Alley." Last post on page one here: Gun Thread
While no training can substitute for the real thing, good training & practice can develop some very important & automatic habits that may just save your life someday.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:27 pm

Devil,

Have your daughter check out the Sig Arms Academy. They offer a lot of nice courses, and if you buy a Sig, they will custom tune it while taking the course (they will give you a loaner). The school is located in Exeter, NH.

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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: av8r On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:42 pm

acesover wrote:Yo Due
Just go get yourself a 12ga single barrel. Done deel, no regisahoin no hassle and it gets the job done, also more kid frendley. A child may play with a pistol more so than a heavy shotgun.
Ray


Yep..for home security nothing beats a shotgun.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:16 pm

Complete Heat wrote:Devil,

Have your daughter check out the Sig Arms Academy. They offer a lot of nice courses, and if you buy a Sig, they will custom tune it while taking the course (they will give you a loaner). The school is located in Exeter, NH.

Mike


Thanks Mike but with a 2year old at home & living in SE Mass., Exeter N.H. is out of the question. This AFS place is only about 20 mins away & her sisters will probably take a basic course too.
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:59 pm

Not exactly a pistol but I want one of these! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B ... ture=bz301
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:30 pm

I agree with you Devil and kudos for having raised daughters that are interested in taking such courses. I wish I could say the same for my sons but then there are no such courses available up here in the boonies. I have obtained private instruction to get the lessons.

Kevin
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:18 pm

Devil505 wrote:Not exactly a pistol but I want one of these! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B ... ture=bz301


I like it too. They make it without the auto sear as well?
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Re: Pistol of Choice

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:51 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
Devil505 wrote:Not exactly a pistol but I want one of these! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B ... ture=bz301


I like it too. They make it without the auto sear as well?


You know as much about it as I do. :confused:
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