Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:58 am

dsteinel wrote:about those "magic fans" that run on a stove top without use of electricity:

They sound too good to be true.... maybe because they are. I have had one for a couple of years. Even with my stove top temp at 600 degrees, that thing can't really push much air to circulate heat in my house. When it is cranked up to its maximum rpm, I put my face right in front of it about an inch away and can barely feel any air hitting me. I think they are a waste of money and wouldn't buy another.

Anybody else have any experience with these "magic fans"?



No personal experience at home but I've seen them working in stove shops. Can't imagine that they move enough air to accomplish anything & they aren't cheap! :eek2:
(put a cheap electric fan behind the stove)
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: NJTomatoguy On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:22 pm

wow,
Thanks for all the input!

Most likely, the stove i get will be used. I have that chronic condition call "mafunsalow".
I have a ceiling fan in the kitchen, which is open to the living room. I also have a fan in
both bedrooms. Vaulted ceilings thru-out the house, even the bathroom. At the stove store,
that fan didn't look too good.

My neighbor across the street has been burning coal forever. They gave me the name of the guy they
use, and the guy said "oh, I know them", and knocked $25 off the price right then. $275, delivered.

I have been watching youtube videos, and a couple vids that were imbedded here. I can't wait to
not have to mess with the stove every 4-6 hrs!

Thanks for all the tips!
Any other suggestions?
NJTomatoguy
 
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: valley coal On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:33 pm

We burn a Nestor Martin hand fired for the 4 months of the heating season and are very pleased with it. We switch to a Leisure Line Hyfire in January because it has more btus and is fully automatic. The Nestor Martin is rated at 55k, it puts out all of that and then some. Alot less work than wood and alot cleaner. Good luck and welcome to the world of coal! :)
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:51 pm

First point, the perfect stove has not been built. They all have drawbacks.

I assume your chimney is 6 inch, any larger might hinder draft in a small stove.

In looking for a used stove your choice is limited for the most part to stoves that had a large sale. I don't recall ever seeing a Hitzer for sale and Harmans are expensive. Harmans also lack hopper and thermostat.

I really like a stove that has a hopper and thermostat control for air. Easier to load and new coal is hot when you shake down and the thermostat has already opened the air shutter leading to less fussing with the fire. The new coal ignites very easily and fast.

If appearance and style are important you are further limited. Most steel stoves are hampered by the fact that steel plate does not lend itself to complex shapes as cast iron does easily. Good looking stoves (in my opinion) are those from Vermont castings, Waterford, Coalbrookdale, Godin, and if you like modern, Franco Belge and Surdiac. The latter two are the only ones with hopper and thermostat. They also have good size ash pans and the ability to use a poker to slice the grates which is very handy with some coal. They are the ones I would recommend and can be found well under $500 sometimes well under. In looking at either stove it is mandatory to take off the rear panel and inspect the rear heat exchanger for cracks or damage. The Surdiac has a porcelain coated heat exchanger which is prone to rust if that porcelain coating has a crack in it, especially around the cleanout panels. The Franco has a cast iron heat exchanger that can have cracks. Both these stoves can be difficult to move as they don't lend themselves to just using a hand truck without damaging something. Stripped down you need two strong men to carry or put on a pallet of some sort and strapped down.

Richard
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: oliver power On: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:13 pm

NJTomatoguy wrote:HI all,
just posted in the introductions forum. Was registered here a few years ago, when deciding whether to go wood or coal.
Went wood, because it was "free". It wasn't. Never bought wood, but burned up a car scrounging. Tired of being tied to the stove,
ruining my lunch hour rushing home to feed the woodstove.

I definitely will be putting in a stove, not a furnace. I have a hearth built, and am heating with wood now. I have the simpson
chimney kit, with single wall from stove to ceiling box. .

Can I use the same hearth?
I am heating about 800 sq ft. If you were getting into this, what stove would you get?
I will order coal delivered, and got quoted a price today. How many tons to heat 800 sq ft?
I would like to buy a used stove, Most hand fed stoves use nut size?

Thanks for all the help.
Bob
I use to heat 832 square feet with 2-1/2 ton of chestnut.
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: baldeagle On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:14 pm

Grizzly2 -- our Hitzer 354 has a fan that is also on the noisy end of the scale, have you gotten one of those +/- $20
AC reastats to set the speed at low? Makes listening to the family sound better. baldeagle
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: 9mmruger On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:57 pm

I was back over at my suppliers place and looked again at the "Magic Fan" and it was working beautifully at stove idle. I am going to get one. The Amish live without electrical power and he says that the fan works great and distributes heat evenly throughout his house which is about 3500 sf. Three stories, lots of kids, (you know the Amish, no TV, nothing else to do. :) )

I have worked with Enos for 18 years and he is an upright guy and would not misdirect me. I think that just because you do not feel the airflow, it does not mean that it is not there. My other worker companion has one as well on his Mullet coal stove.

For the money, I am going to get one, just for those power outages situations. JMHO

Have a great day.
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:56 pm

Natural convection curents will circulate the heat in a 3500 sq ft house not one of those fans.
Buy the stove first and see how it runs with out the fan.
If you want a conversation piece they are great!
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: oliver power On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:42 pm

titleist1 wrote:Since you are looking for used, start searching Craigslist, eBay, local penny pincher mags, etc. The Harman's, Hitzer's and a few other brands are all pretty good, which is the best deal will depend on the condition of the stove you find. From reading on here, it seems each has their own quirks which seem to be influenced by your install & chimney set up. The area you have to heat should be handled by a Mark II size stove easily, maybe even a Mark I size if you can get the heat distributed from the stove well. I would recommend getting a blower on the stove to help circulate the heat. On the Harman's it is a little loud for a living space, but you wouldn't need to have it on all the time. I don't know how loud the Hitzers or other's are.
The 30-95 fan is kind of loud, even on low speed. 50-93 fan is very quiet in comparison. 50-93 is way to big for 800 square feet of living space. My mother still heats with wood after all these years. She thinks she wants to try coal next year. Because of fan noise of the 30-95, I'm very interested in hearing results of the 30-95 with out fan. I'm wondering how well it would heat in comparison to the 30-95 with fan.
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:29 am

Heating 800 ft isn't much of a challenge for any of the stoves others have listed. You don't want it too hot all the time. Being near the Delaware, you're weather is tempered by the bay. I'd throw the Harmon Mk I into the fight or a small stoker might be easier to control but they both need electricity. Vermont Casting made a hopper coal kit for the older Resolute. Member Rewinder runs one along with an older Vigilant with sucess. They can be a little tricky but I've seen them on Craig's List.

IMHO, if you have the luxury, it's better to have a stove slightly undersized if it's a hand fed. The central heating system will pick up the slack when it's really cold. Or light off another stove :D . For reference, I'm heating 3,100 sq ft with my 7 yr. old Vigilant II and it does a fine job - just ask Wood'nCoal, he's seen it in action. It's rated at 50,000 BTU/hr and is radiant only - no fans, no electricity to pay for. It will handle temps in the single digits if I run it hot. It’s amazing how much more heat comes off with just a 20 degree rise in stove top temp. If I keep it in its design range of (400-)700F, the oil furnace will kick on for a few minutes an hour once it's down in the low 20's.
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: NJTomatoguy On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:55 pm

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:Heating 800 ft isn't much of a challenge for any of the stoves others have listed. You don't want it too hot all the time. Being near the Delaware, you're weather is tempered by the bay. I'd throw the Harmon Mk I into the fight or a small stoker might be easier to control but they both need electricity. Vermont Casting made a hopper coal kit for the older Resolute. Member Rewinder runs one along with an older Vigilant with sucess. They can be a little tricky but I've seen them on Craig's List.

IMHO, if you have the luxury, it's better to have a stove slightly undersized if it's a hand fed. The central heating system will pick up the slack when it's really cold. Or light off another stove :D . For reference, I'm heating 3,100 sq ft with my 7 yr. old Vigilant II and it does a fine job - just ask Wood'nCoal, he's seen it in action. It's rated at 50,000 BTU/hr and is radiant only - no fans, no electricity to pay for. It will handle temps in the single digits if I run it hot. It’s amazing how much more heat comes off with just a 20 degree rise in stove top temp. If I keep it in its design range of (400-)700F, the oil furnace will kick on for a few minutes an hour once it's down in the low 20's.


Your videos are great! I guess the same stove you have in blue enamel would be overkill, but would look AWESOME in my house. The walls are bright blue, with whhite trim and beadboard in the works.
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Re: Help me with the switch(Fed-Up Woodburner)

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:53 pm

NJTomatoguy wrote:....8<...Your videos are great! I guess the same stove you have in blue enamel would be overkill, but would look AWESOME in my house. The walls are bright blue, with whhite trim and beadboard in the works.


Thanks for the complement. They aren't the best when it comes to eloquent video execution and there's no 80's *censored* music for the fill, but they get the raw point across. :lol:

You'd be okay with this stove if you like it. They do have it in blue enamel but your late to get the one that was for sale on the forum last spring. I think member tvb had one for sale. I've seen them on craigs list in black paint and in blue enamel. It wouldn't be overkill when it comes to heat out put. You can throttle it back. You would likely get longer burn time because of this. Coal works best if you fill the fire box, get it going enough to keep the chimney warm and then throttle it back by controlling the air feed. Because I heat a large space, it ends up near middle operating range and above. It's versatile when using the internal damper to control how long the heat stays in the stove which means how much radiates into the house. In the warmer weather, I keep the internal damper open and close down the air. Configured like this, it allows the heat to go up the chimney and not stay in the stove so long. Your efficiency drops but in spring weather, I don't need so much heat and it's more important to keep the chimney warm and drafting. In the late spring and early fall small fires sometimes allow the chimney to cool too much and risk a back flow due to loss of draft.
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