Chinese Made Products

Chinese Made Products

PostBy: madeinchina On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:09 am

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best
By: e.alleg On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:32 pm

The best is EFM. I can't think of a better built unit on the market today for any price. I also think Chevy trucks are the best and Pepsi is the best cola, and Ski-Doo makes the best snowmobiles and Honda makes the best motorcycles. If it is made in Pennsylvania it is good, if it's made in China forget about it.
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I am chinese living in Beijing,China.
Do you know Hp/Dell notebook and most world famous brands are indeed made in China.
Do you know fashion clothes sold in China domestic market is much more expensive than exported to American, in turn quality is much better too.
Do you know many stove manufacturers indeed make stoves in China rather than in PA.
If you pay right price, you will get good stove from China. It will be cheaper than"made in PA" while quality is same.
Unfortunately traders push China manufacturers hard and hard on price, and in turn China manufacturers lower and lower quality to keep a small margin.
There is no free lunch.
You will get what you paid for
Prejudice simply wastes your money
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Re: if it's made in China forget about it.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:36 am

Maybe this needs to be in Flame Central but -

madeinchina wrote:Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best
By: e.alleg On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:32 pm

The best is EFM. I can't think of a better built unit on the market today for any price. I also think Chevy trucks are the best and Pepsi is the best cola, and Ski-Doo makes the best snowmobiles and Honda makes the best motorcycles. If it is made in Pennsylvania it is good, if it's made in China forget about it.
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I am chinese living in Beijing,China.
Do you know Hp/Dell notebook and most world famous brands are indeed made in China.
Do you know fashion clothes sold in China domestic market is much more expensive than exported to American, in turn quality is much better too.
Do you know many stove manufacturers indeed make stoves in China rather than in PA.
If you pay right price, you will get good stove from China. It will be cheaper than"made in PA" while quality is same.
Unfortunately traders push China manufacturers hard and hard on price, and in turn China manufacturers lower and lower quality to keep a small margin.
There is no free lunch.
You will get what you paid for
Prejudice simply wastes your money


I am resentful of your assumption that prejudice against the Chinese people is the basis for many Americans choosing not to buy items from China. I chose to not buy Chinese products because I realize China is not a friend to the United States. I also chose not to buy things from China because I have been burned over the quality many times. I chose to buy American whenever possible because I am an American and I support quality American products first even if it means spending a few dollars. Yes, you get what you pay for and I’ve found that the inexpensive items produced in China aren’t worth the savings in the long run.

“If you pay right price, you will get good stove from China. It will be cheaper than"made in PA" while quality is same.
Unfortunately traders push China manufacturers hard and hard on price, and in turn China manufacturers lower and lower quality to keep a small margin.”

These two statements are in conflict with each other. First you have a good stove being manufactured cheaper then in PA while having the same quality and then you tell us that Chinese manufacturers are being driven to lower the quality to keep a small margin. Which is it? If we buy from the Chinese will we get an inexpensive stove made just as well as those made in PA or will we get a stove that is cheap in quality and value because of the rush to production.

My personal experience tells me that if I buy from China I will get a cheap product both in quality and value. For my money it’s worth the additional cost to buy American if at all possible; get a known product and support the American worker. Lisa
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Mark II & Mark I
Coal Size/Type: nut/pea

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:13 am

Agreed, Lisa.

Remember China is still a Communist country. Buying Chinese made products is supporting a Socialist government. Unfortunately our stores are flooded with products made in China. Sometimes there is no choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s ... c_of_China
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert


Re: if it's made in China forget about it.

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:05 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
For my money it’s worth the additional cost to buy American if at all possible; get a known product and support the American worker. Lisa


Well said, Lisa :yes: :up:
SuperBeetle
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark II
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Nut, & Stove Anthracite

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:17 pm

I am chinese living in Beijing,China.
Do you know Hp/Dell notebook and most world famous brands are indeed made in China.
Do you know fashion clothes sold in China domestic market is much more expensive than exported to American, in turn quality is much better too.
Do you know many stove manufacturers indeed make stoves in China rather than in PA.
If you pay right price, you will get good stove from China. It will be cheaper than"made in PA" while quality is same.
Unfortunately traders push China manufacturers hard and hard on price, and in turn China manufacturers lower and lower quality to keep a small margin.
There is no free lunch.
You will get what you paid for
Prejudice simply wastes your money

Sorry but I think your full of crap! like the stuff your country makes!! Glad the good stuff stays there!!! :o
I am going to eat my free lunch now! :roll:
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:05 pm

madeinchina wrote:Unfortunately traders push China manufacturers hard and hard on price, and in turn China manufacturers lower and lower quality to keep a small margin.


I can agree with that, I don't think it's matter of who can produce the better quality product but what the majority of American consumer buy. They don't buy something for quality or something that will last but instead look for the best price. If I want to buy "the best" generally speaking I can get it from a U.S. manufacturer but I pay and arm and a leg for it but U.S. manufacturers can compete in that market. American companies cannot compete against the sweat shops of China pumping out cheaply made junk.

I'll give you example, back in the early and mid eighties there was boom for BMX bicycles, all the top lines were made here. Even many of the parts and those that were not came from Japan and weren't cheap either. The issue is that these bikes were expensive, $300 or $400 and that was back in the mid 80's. To lure more customers many of these U.S. manufacturers created and started importing lower end models. The high end bikes were still all made in the U.S. because it takes just as much labor to make a cheap bike or an expensive bike. The profit margin was enough on the high end models to keep those jobs here.

Even if a Chinese manufacturer can deliver the same product cheaper in the end it's the Chinese workforce that are practically slaves to the U.S. consumer. Think about that for minute.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:36 pm

I smell a troll.
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Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:31 pm

He has made a few good points, one is Chinese products are often inferior and explains the reasons for that. The Chinese are very capable of producing very high quality goods when it is profitable to do so, the Dell computer is a good example. I am not so sure he is a troll, I think his choice in screen names just didn't go over well.

Don't forget gents, there are more Chinese that speak English than there are Americans. They are educated and talented too. It looks to me like we have a new member from Beijing that is impressed with American goods, to me, that is not a bad thing. I wonder if he drives a Buick? :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: av8r On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:39 pm

The US has enabled China to become what it is today. We are an insatiable monster sucking down everything we can and begging for more.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Hearth model with twin turbos

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:01 pm

coaledsweat wrote:He has made a few good points, one is Chinese products are often inferior and explains the reasons for that. The Chinese are very capable of producing very high quality goods when it is profitable to do so, the Dell computer is a good example. I am not so sure he is a troll, I think his choice in screen names just didn't go over well.

Don't forget gents, there are more Chinese that speak English than there are Americans. They are educated and talented too. It looks to me like we have a new member from Beijing that is impressed with American goods, to me, that is not a bad thing. I wonder if he drives a Buick? :)


Ditto on troll.. choice of name poor? yep! therefore and hence my definition of troll.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:26 pm

I think the Chinese manufacturer has taken a lesson from the American businessman. The top company ceo,s & the like are rakeing in the yun while exploiting their own people. They don`t overload at the top like U.S. companies but I believe they are more demanding in making a profit at any cost. Even if they start out making a good item they start to cheapen it to make more profit & sooner or later it will bite them in the butt.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: Cap On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:49 pm

Hello and welcome to our forum. China is a great country with many good people. China has a great culture too. I don't resent your countrymen for producing many products and shipping them overseas. This is the global economy. We cannot survive without it. Not now, no going back. We screwed ourselves. Our govt screwed us too. But that is another lesson we will never completely understands the reason why the USA cannot be competitive.

If I can speak for many, may I? We resent the rip offs that come out of China. The copycat items that American engineers design, products that were on sale here for many years with a reputation of good quality. China companies steal our ideas and ship back disguising the part or product as the real thing. (Coca Cola got it right 100 years ago, didn't they?) We see many *aftermarket* parts for cars, motorcycles, and just about anything Americans accept as good quality now come into question. The list of items can go on & on. Not just motorcycle accessories.

I understand your point in regards to lower quality because buyers push for lower prices. But this is true in all the world, isn't it?
Cap
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Harman SF 250, domestic hot water loop, heat accumulator

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: Complete Heat On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:28 pm

I would not touch a Chinese stove of any kind. Vermont Castings moved a lot of their manufacturing to China, and the stuff that is coming back is garbage. I brought in a gas grill from VC last year to check it out, and there was no way I was going to sell it to one of my customers. I sold it on craigslist to get rid of it. One of the big problems with it is the stainless steel rusts. The next great war will be between China and the US, I have nothing against the CChinese people, but I trust their Govt. less than I trust our Govt., which is not very much.

Mike
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Stove/Furnace Make: Axeman-Anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: AA-130/FHA

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: mr1precision On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:56 pm

I always look forward to chinese food made from the finest melamine! I prefer to eat it in a bowl made in China that is glazed with lead. Mmmmmmmm yummy!!!!!!!!!!!! :doh:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130

Re: Chinese Made Products

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:15 pm

Is that an explanation for the 'twitching', 'drooling', 'peeing you pants', 'seeing spots all the time(floaters really) crushing up an 8-ball of 'bit coal' for an steak tip appetizer on the barbie? :confused: :no1: :no2: :nono: :dancing: :mad3: :pepsi:

Would 'melamine rice pellets' burn in an EFM at 4 clicks and 4.5 air?
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