Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:06 pm

jpete wrote:I won't speak for Ed but I stopped considering myself an R after they starting acting like D's. If I'm an R, it's a Goldwater R and they ran all of them out of the party nearly a decade before I was born. :)


Fair enough Jeff...Then I'll ask YOU the question I was going to ask him. & give him a heads start on answering it, if he chooses:
Since you both have been here for a while, since you both now express dissatisfaction with the prior Republican leadership & are both active in political topics, would you please post link/links to any posts of yours where you expressed dissatisfaction with Republican actions/policies.... during the 8 years of the Bush administration. I remember reading no such complaints & it is only now, after the Republicans were rejected at the polls on 11/6/2008 & under Democratic leadership..that you seem to have found your long lost fiscal & moral responsibility.
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:13 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:I won't speak for Ed but I stopped considering myself an R after they starting acting like D's. If I'm an R, it's a Goldwater R and they ran all of them out of the party nearly a decade before I was born. :)


Fair enough Jeff...Then I'll ask YOU the question I was going to ask him. & give him a heads start on answering it, if he chooses:
Since you both have been here for a while, since you both now express dissatisfaction with the prior Republican leadership & are both active in political topics, would you please post link/links to any posts of yours where you expressed dissatisfaction with Republican actions/policies.... during the 8 years of the Bush administration. I remember reading no such complaints & it is only now, under Democratic leadership..that you seem to have found your long lost fiscal & moral responsibility.
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This was the first one I could find on this forum.

jpete wrote:I'm a Ron Paul guy too. GWB showed the Democrats just what they could get away with. Between signing statements, and labelling people as unpatriotic if they didn't vote his way, I think the Dems will make George Bush look like George Washington if they get in.

I was a McCain supporter last time around but I am disappointed by his "We came to change Washington, and Washington changed us." Ron Paul rightly said "Washington didn't change me." I have seen videos of Ron Paul saying the same things in 1976 as he says today. Many candidates are on the right side of the issues NOW, but I prefer someone who was right the first time.

Romney is a used car salesman who would have been great as the replacement for Bob Barker.

Guilianni is just a toad. An all around unpleasant guy. Just his position on Kerick is enough to see what he'd be all about.

Huckabee and his "Fair Tax" are smoke and mirrors. He wants to outlaw smoking and fatty food. Yes, he may have gone from a deficit to a surplus in Arkansas, they don't call him "Tax Hike Mike" for nothing. I'd feel better if he did it by reducing the size of government rather than increasing taxes.

Ron Paul has said we need a strong President, "Strong enough to resist taking power a President shouldn't have." He's the only one with the record of not trying to steal your money.

I understand the President can't do a lot of things, so does Ron Paul. But if he were to get elected, it would be a signal to those rats in Congress that "We the People" were "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!" We can work on extracting them later.


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Would you like me to link to other forums I am on? Would you like a complete list of every time I said "both sides are crooks"?
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:25 pm

jpete wrote:Would you like me to link to other forums I am on? Would you like a complete list of every time I said "both sides are crooks"?


Thanks Jeff & I do remember you posting some statements expressing your dissatisfaction with the current (at the time) Republican leadership & applaud your for your speaking out, which gives you credibility to complain about policies now. The reason why the question was originally directed to Ed.A is that I remember no such posts from him. Rather, I remember him being a loud cheerleader for any & all Repub policies at the time, which gives him ZERO credibility to NOW claim he was against any of these policies & to expect anyone to heed his warnings against the Democratic leadership we now have. If he can find & link to any such complaints, I will withdraw my accusation, but I EXPECT: either silence on this request (since there are no such posts), or the "Ever Popular" "I don't intend to prove myself to you or anyone else" response that someone who is cornered usually resorts too. (we all remember the neighborhood kid who would cry after striking out for the 3rd time & angrily leave in a huff saying ..." I wasn't ready.......I'm taking my ball & going home!") :baby:
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:56 pm

Well, again, I can't speak for Ed. It seems you two have a bit more history that precedes me. Honestly, I breathed a sigh of relief when I found that thread. :D

I knew I THOUGHT all those things, I just couldn't remember saying them here. ;)
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:31 pm

jpete wrote:Honestly, I breathed a sigh of relief when I found that thread. :D

I knew I THOUGHT all those things, I just couldn't remember saying them here. ;)


It's important in regards to credibility Jeff. You & I have had many political disagreements here, just as I have had verbal batlles with Coalkirk, LSFarm, Paul & even Richard, but ...that's what makes life interesting! We can disagree but still respect each other & give credence to opposing views. You are one of those, imo. Others have earned no such respect & should not be surprised when they get none with silly, illogical, purely partisan arguments. (...IMO....if all you can point to are mindless partisan responses that you simply "Parrot" from some "Talking Head" on TV or radio, to virtually any issue, then you are just wasting your time (& ours) by posting on political topics,....No one is listening)
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:30 am

Devil505 wrote:
Ed.A wrote:I don't consider myself a Republican anymore, haven't in quite some time, but I'm a proud conservative.


May I ask when you stopped considering yourself a Republican Ed & why? (Any specific things the Republican Party did or didn't do that angered you so much?


Easy, Immigration. McCain and other the RINO's. Bush was from Texas, he should have cared alot more but he was way to big into One-World politics and his record on Clintons NAFTA and his own CAFTA was BS....IMO.

2nd, His undying support of Rumsfeld, to me it became embarassing watching him and worse, his (Rummies) failure to take advise from Military veterans prolonged the stagnant and deadliest part of the war.

3rd, the Bailout, Ver 1.0, I was in Jamaica and had to watch on CNN ( that's all they carry in Montego Bay) as Pres. Bush again decided to throw principle out the window and stand with Franks, Dodd, Pelosi and Reid. John Boehnor makes me ill to look at him for what he precipitated to this day. All I can say is thank God I was at an all inclusive resort and the Bars opened early and closed late, otherwise it have ruined my vacation.
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:33 am

Devil505 wrote:Now, would you care to comment on the very pertinent video that Av8er posted?


Sure.......Mankind can be brutal. (no argument from me there)

I also understand that even in this..... the 21st Century...There are actually "So Called" Civilized countries that will pick up (sometimes innocent) men off the street & TORTURE them.....sometimes to death!!,,,Can you believe that??[/quote]

That fact that even try the moral equivalency crap with Islamofascists and us is really low rent...even for you.....Dick.
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:46 am

Devil505 wrote: The reason why the question was originally directed to Ed.A is that I remember no such posts from him. Rather, I remember him being a loud cheerleader for any & all Repub policies at the time, which gives him ZERO credibility to NOW claim he was against any of these policies & to expect anyone to heed his warnings against the Democratic leadership we now have. If he can find & link to any such complaints, I will withdraw my accusation, but I EXPECT: either silence on this request (since there are no such posts), or the "Ever Popular" "I don't intend to prove myself to you or anyone else" response that someone who is cornered usually resorts too. (we all remember the neighborhood kid who would cry after striking out for the 3rd time & angrily leave in a huff saying ..." I wasn't ready.......I'm taking my ball & going home!") :baby:


Whoa! I guess I really should have continued reading before responding earlier.

Pretty presumptiuous of you.....Dick....20 seconds in: Political Opinions
GW broke a cardnal rule, pre-emptive strikes and made it into policy....WRONG


Forget about recinding any of your previous assumptions, they amount to nothing , you like "your" President, are a splineless punk, they would be just as hollow.

Now get back on topic.....Dick.
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:27 am

Ed.A wrote:Whoa! I guess I really should have continued reading before responding earlier.

Pretty presumptiuous of you.....Dick....20 seconds in: about2869-15.html

GW broke a cardnal rule, pre-emptive strikes and made it into policy....WRONG



Forget about recinding any of your previous assumptions, they amount to nothing , you like "your" President, are a splineless punk, they would be just as hollow.




One word "Wrong" in a mild rebuke of Bush, hidden amongst a veritable blizzard of Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh venom....ALL FROM YOUR SAME SINGLE POST.


Ed.A wrote: Haliburton ohhhh, VP Cheney divested his intrests long ago.....didn't stop your communist hero Micheal Moore from buying stocks in Haliturton did it? Nooooo, do as I say not as I do. Go tell Chavez how much you wish he was YOUR president.





Ed.A wrote: Get off the Torture routine, we did worse than Water Board for years under Democratic leasdership as well so stop with the drama. Jeeze Jane Harman "Dem" and Rockefeller "Dem" were asking if Water Boarding was TOUGH enough! It's all Politics and Grand standing now, it worked.....it saved countless lives....leave it alone. Our enemies lop off heads, set people on fire and all kinds of brutal acts. HELL they do it to their OWN for gods sake..I wonder if which side some people are on.





Ed.A wrote: I don't think it was correct to go into IRAQ, we were hoodwinked by Left over Clinton Intel, and people Left to stay on from Clinton to serve this Admin (George Tenet)...big mistake.






Ed.A wrote: Remember everytime you see Bill or Hillary crying about how much they get to keep and how GUILTY they feel, ask them why they keep OFFSHORE accounts to shelter Millions? Ask John Edwards why he complains about 2 Americas and yet he gets $400 haircuts and builds a 27000 SQ FOOT Mansion?





Those were all from just one of your posts on just that one thread! (what, did you spend all last night searching for your ONE WORD ("Wrong") condemnation of the Iraq invasion?

Face it Ed.A....You have not one shred of credibility on any political topic. You are only capable of regurgitating words spoken by Sean Hannity, the RNC & Fox News. (Anyone with a TV or a radio doesn't NEED you) ;)
On the other hand, there are plenty of other members who I disagree with, but I have respect for because they think for themselves, will admit when both sides are wrong, have moral compasses & make logical & intelligent arguments.
I blame YOU personally for much of the present crisis we are in right now..... for it was the mindless acquiescence of your kind that let things get so far out of hand that we are practically in another Great Depression, embroiled in TWO unwinable wars & Preident Obama must spend most of his first term undoing the damage of the last 8 years. Your suddenly remembered fiscal responsibility & musings on morality are just more Far Right Wing ...BS!
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:29 am

Ed.A wrote:Now get back on topic.....Dick.



Now...Please explain how I strayed from the topic which is: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

(in a battle of wits Ed.A....I take very little pleasure in defeating you since you are totally unarmed. :lol: )
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Ed.A On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:41 am

:roll: You really are quite sad Dick.
You see, you fail to realise that from my point of view is that President Bush was a noble man who rarely ever did anything wrong.
3 posts back I listed where he disappointed me, but in 8 years I gained more wealth, more happiness than any other time in my life.
Why should I have found more fault when wasn't isn't any?

Oops, forgot...I wish he would have gone after private citizens who critized him, you know like your president does.
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:07 pm

Ed.A wrote:Why should I have found more fault when wasn't isn't any?


Why?

Let's try one example:
"Why should I have found more fault when wasn't isn't any?"...Perhaps because you are an American & claim to be a moral person right?....& yet you found no fault when YOUR government arrested people, never gave them a chance to proves their innocence & then actually tortured some of these people to death?

Is that OK?
You still agree with that?
Who decides which people are guilty?

Edit: In re this: "but in 8 years I gained more wealth, more happiness than any other time in my life. "

I would have some respect for you Ed, if you would just be honest & continue your above sentence with the words:.."& I could give a damn about any of my fellow countrymen or other humans on this planet....... I got mine so fu__ everyone else & their mothers!"
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:43 pm

Devil505 wrote:I would have some respect for you Ed, if you would just be honest & continue your above sentence with the words:.."& I could give a damn about any of my fellow countrymen or other humans on this planet....... I got mine so fu__ everyone else & their mothers!"


He was, are your words being included your only standard for respect?
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:12 pm

coaledsweat wrote:
Devil505 wrote:I would have some respect for you Ed, if you would just be honest & continue your above sentence with the words:.."& I could give a damn about any of my fellow countrymen or other humans on this planet....... I got mine so fu__ everyone else & their mothers!"


He was, are your words being included your only standard for respect?



He wasn't saying that at all , IMO. He was trying to slip in an innocuous (& cowardly) compliment to the leadership of the last 8 years, by implying that it was a good period of time for some people. (A point that is uncontested..... It was a GREAT time for people such as: Oil companies, Haliburton, Sub-Prime Bank swindlers, Blackwater, KBR, etc...while the rest of us paid the freight.....literally! :mad: ) It was just a very bad period of time for The United States of America.

What he fails to do is take any ownership of the down-side of the last 8 years from a Republican standpoint, & that is what makes his reply cowardly. (Just look at who he blames for the Iraq war as an example:.."Ed.A wrote: I don't think it was correct to go into IRAQ, we were hoodwinked by Left over Clinton Intel, and people Left to stay on from Clinton to serve this Admin (George Tenet)...big mistake. )

I don't think you could find ANY posts where the "man" who now says: .."I don't consider myself a Republican anymore, haven't in quite some time"....has any complaints he can point out while they were in power.

Edit: If Ed.A has any problems with my opinions or wording above, I offer this thread <removed link to FSC>on Flame Central where he is more than welcome to say anything he'd like to in un-moderated response. (or feel free to start your own thread there)




Come on Ed....back up this statement of yours: ;)
Ed.A wrote:you like "your" President, are a splineless punk
( bawk...Bawk :fear:......& wipe your nose for god's sake! :baby: )
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Re: Hey O bama lovers (or zombies)

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:07 pm

Devil505 wrote:He wasn't saying that at all , IMO.


Your opinion is your problem in this case.
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