Water Softners

Water Softners

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:38 pm

How has them?

I need one. Although I don't know a thing about them.
I don't even know where to get my water tested.
Any advise?
cArNaGe
 

Re: Water Softners

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:51 pm

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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:02 pm

The state dept suggested a company that picked up the water sample from the drug store in milford. This was a prerequiste for adoption . Youth and child services in your county would prob have a similar system. It was a $27 charge. The results were fantastic as we have a well down 450 ft and have great water.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:15 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:It was a $27 charge.


That is cheap. Was that just wet chemistry or did it screen for lifeforms? In shallow wells where the water table is high I would want that for sure.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:29 pm

It was a very comprehensive analysis. I will have to find the result sheet to be sure but naturally any bacteria, virus, heavy metals,chemicals ect. they only pick on wednesday bet 9-12 and had results 10 days later.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:33 pm

cArNaGe wrote:How has them?

I need one. Although I don't know a thing about them.
I don't even know where to get my water tested.
Any advise?


PENNSYLVANIA online listing
(717) 346-7200
Department of Environmental Protection
Bureau of Laboratories
2575 Interstate Drive
Harrisburg, PA 17110-9332

They should be some help I would hope...
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:05 pm

We have a water softener. It's a pain to remember to put salt in it once a month. It helps alot with cleaning, and makes the water a bit more palatable. We still filter however but only with one on the faucet. It's city water where we live.

It sounds like you are concerned about water impurities and little buggers in it though? You probably want to check out whole house filters. UV filters are necessary to kill unwanted lifeforms in the water. Years ago I rented a place that had e-coli in the well water and the landlord had to put one of them in for me.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:05 am

My concern is with the stains on all my appliances. My washer plugged on the Hot water side from calcium build up or I think its calcium. My dishwasher is having trouble now. All my faucets have to been cleaned with CLR to clean them. I'll ask my wife what color the stains are. I'm colorblind so I can't tell.
I have a 100 foot well with a shallow jet well pump in my basement. The well is artesian it overflows 99% of the time.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:12 am

prob brown stains.. sounds like a mineral issue. I have a 5 family house real close to my other one with a different well and It would eat a Taco 006 impeller in 1-2 years completely away. I installed a simple filter that takes the 12" long filters every 2 months or so and the problem is gone. took 10 years but it destroyed a boiler and e trol tank, ect.
prior to filtering the mineral's.
the clear filter housing makes it nice to monitor also. filters are in big box stores... cheap

again this dosn't remove much other than that but its all I needed..
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:19 am

cArNaGe wrote:My concern is with the stains on all my appliances. My washer plugged on the Hot water side from calcium build up or I think its calcium. My dishwasher is having trouble now. All my faucets have to been cleaned with CLR to clean them. I'll ask my wife what color the stains are. I'm colorblind so I can't tell.
I have a 100 foot well with a shallow jet well pump in my basement. The well is artesian it overflows 99% of the time.


Good bet it's flowing thru limestone. Artesian wells spring from a long crack in the rock that's supplied by a water table perched at some elevation from the outflow, not always limestone. A softener is an ion replacement system. "Hard" water is usually calcium and magnesium among other minerals dissolved in the well water. The softener provides a mechanism to replace the less soluble ions with a more soluble sodium ion. The water still has the same mineral content, just different minerals that more easily stay in solution. That's why there's less hardness buildup with softened water.

Poconoeagle has a good point. Well water should be tested for a number of things, among them nitrates if you live in farm country or the septic systems are old and close by.

There's the opposite problem to "hard" water, acid water. It eats copper and hot water tanks.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:00 am

If you have any iron problems in your water, you'll want to make sure that's filtered out before you put in a softener.

We've had one for about 5 yrs. It's a pain in the ass, but makes my well water taste as good as bottled water. I have recently installed a 1 micron big-blue filter (10" x 20") BEFORE the softener, due to a few issues with sediment build up inside (had to take apart & clean a few filters). I was having a problem with hydrogen-sulfide gas forming inside the unit (I think from the warm stove & the sediment inside), which made our water REEK! NASTY!!! I ended up removing the filter from the housing (the 1 micron one) & almost filling it with bleach, then run the softener thru a cycle while running all faucets & the toilet. Then I had to take the fridge filter out & wipe bleach all around that housing & the spigot where it comes out. That finally fixed the problem.

Mine is a Ecowater 3000 series. Has a neat little computer inside that reads your water usage & calculates when to run a cycle. Also has a phone jack in the back for those who wish to have it serviced by a pro (if there's a problem, it will send the trouble code to the tech). Also will tell you your GPM of current water usage, total water usage, usage per day & average gallons per day. There is a wireless monitor that you can keep in your bathroom (or wherever) that has 3 colored LED's that tell you: System OK, Low Salt or System Trouble.

I still have to take the unit outside & hose all the sand & sediment out of the bottom. Salt isn't the cleanest of minerals -- comes with all kinds of crap in it, which builds up over time. I was supposed to run some resin bed cleaner through it -- haven't done that yet either.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Bob On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:46 am

As others have posted you need to have a complete water analysis done. In most communities there a companies that install and maintain water conditioning equipment and they typically offer testing services as part of there install business. If you have a significant problem you may want to pay for these services.

If you want to do it yourself--find a water testing laboratory. The Board of Health may be able to give you a list of labs in your area.

Once you have your water analysis there are on line companies that sell equipment and will recommend appropriate equipment based on your water analysis.

Here is one that I have had some satisfactory dealings with:
http://www.ohiopurewaterco.com/shop/customer/home.php

If you end up with a softener as the solution, or part of the solution I highly recommend a two tank system. Two tank systems are more expensive but, in my experience, they are worth it. I have a Fleck 9000 series two tank system and have been very pleased with it. It has been isntalled for 7 years.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Steve.N On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:31 am

I shopped all over when I decided to install a water softener. I own a business so I can buy wholesale but the best price I found was from Lowes. They had two different sizes of fully automatic Whirlpool softeners, the one I bought was under $500 bucks. My water comes from a 500 ft deep well and there is a trace of iron in the water as well as calcium, the softener was the best thing I ever did. I ran untreated water to the cold side of the kitchen sink because I was worried about taste from the softener but my fears were groundless. I can taste no difference between the treated and untreated water. The best result was in washing the cars, if you didn't dry after washing the calcium would leave stubborn spots that were hard to get off of the paint. I add a bag of rid-rust salt on every salt refill to take care of the iron buildup and use a total of 8 to 10 bags total per year
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:38 am

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:There's the opposite problem to "hard" water, acid water. It eats copper and hot water tanks.

My well water is acidic, ph = 5.7 I've tried all kinds of acid neutralizer systems over the years. All were a pain. I finally just replaced everything with plastic or stainless steel. Other than the ph, my water is great.
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Re: Water Softners

PostBy: billlindley On: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:42 am

cArNaGe wrote:How has them?

I need one. Although I don't know a thing about them.
I don't even know where to get my water tested.
Any advise?


Go to the Home Depot and at tiems they will have sale people in there who will test your water for free and give you a $20 HD gift card. The only cath is that you can't get them out of your home after they test your water. They wanted to charge me $6,500 for a "Home treatment syste" which consited of a softner and filter at the faucet.
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