The Cause of Global Warming

Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat May 02, 2009 9:08 pm

stockingfull wrote:Which came first, the elevated CO2 or the temp increase? :roll:

What's the reason for the astronomically high CO2 levels, never before seen on the planet, at this time? The correlation between that and the unprecedented (in the history of the planet) mining of carbon-based fuels is ... pure coincidence???


No coincidence. The CO2 in the atmosphere has risen as a result of man's carbon fuel oxidation. The problem is that the data is being misinterpreted.

The ice core data shows a near perfect, lockstep, proportional, correlation of co2 and temperature levels for the last 600,000 years. Then, in the last century, it shows a tremendous spike in co2 levels from 280ppm to 380ppm without a tracking rise in temperature. To be sure, the temps have risen, at a rate not unlike their historical data, but not at the same rate of increase as the co2.

Without a corresponding proportional increase in temperature level, Logic dictates that the perfect correlation of the last 600,000 years, in light of the recent co2 spike, demonstrates that atmospheric co2 was not the driver of temperature rises. If it were, the temperature levels on earth would be rising to levels 35% greater than now ( an average yearly temp around here in the seventies).

The opposing scientists have estimated that man's contribution to the recorded .5degC rise in temp in the last century is just 7% of that half degree rise (.035 deg C). There is possibly an anthropogenic effect but it is relatively small

The ice dore data suggests one of two things: either the science-is-settled crowd is 180 degrees wrong or, if they are right, and the co2 increases are the driver of temp increases, its just a matter of time before we are fried. We are waiting for the other shoe to drop and we won't be able to do anything about it.

IMO this is the greatest political red herring ever recorded in man's history. I would agree that man needs to be a good steward of the earth and manage his resources conservatively but the current hysteria is unfounded.
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: RMA On: Sun May 03, 2009 2:56 pm

Mike,

I enjoyed reading your postulation...
The BEST THING ABOUT "Global Warming" is AL Gore!!!
Why?...because AL GORE is such a contemptible fat head. (feeding on self-aggrandizement)


Bob
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun May 03, 2009 3:01 pm

Check out the second graph, very interesting.

http://masterresource.org/?p=2145
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun May 03, 2009 11:21 pm

RMA wrote:Mike,

I enjoyed reading your postulation...
The BEST THING ABOUT "Global Warming" is AL Gore!!!
Why?...because AL GORE is such a contemptible fat head. (feeding on self-aggrandizement)


Bob


No doubt. I love to watch Algore get his panties wadded up in a bunch talking about global warming!
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun May 03, 2009 11:53 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Check out the second graph, very interesting.

http://masterresource.org/?p=2145


EDIT: Oops, I checked out the second paragraph, not the second graph (but I had more fun with the reply):

Now that the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has announced intent to find that greenhouse gas emissions (primarily carbon dioxide) from human activities lead to the “endangerment of public health and welfare,” the question arises: What could EPA theoretically do about it? (I’ll leave the politics to others.) In other words, can a U.S.-side agency conceptually protect U.S. citizens from the endangerment of their health and welfare from the global issue of global warming?

It turns out that they cannot do much of anything. EPA is simply saber-rattling to get Congress’s attention. If the agency was forced to actually draw their weapon in battle, they would be holding a rubber sword against a massive and growing global force. The bottom line: the EPA is brandishing only about 0.0033ºC/yr-worth of global temperature influence—and that is only if it managed to shut down all greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. economic activity and keep it that way. All the while, the warming pressure from the rest of the world steadily grows, shrinking the EPA’s already too-small-to-matter arsenal.


Yes, they have no swords or armor, only illusions of such, and they hope that no one will make them ride off to defeat "the giants" lest they have to humor that authority.

It's Man of La Mancha!

Yes, we have the chivalrous Al Gore as Don Quixote, tilting at windmills; Global Warming as Dulcinea, the illusory object of his affection; and the EPA as his reluctant squire, Sancho Panza.

It's perfect.
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: spc On: Wed May 06, 2009 3:36 pm

Eco-sailors rescued by oil tanker :rofl:

"An expedition team which set sail from Plymouth on a 5,000-mile carbon emission-free trip to Greenland have been rescued by an oil tanker."
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu May 07, 2009 1:55 am

spc wrote:Eco-sailors rescued by oil tanker :rofl:

"An expedition team which set sail from Plymouth on a 5,000-mile carbon emission-free trip to Greenland have been rescued by an oil tanker."


Sweet irony!

Here's the link:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/06/e ... il-tanker/
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: samhill On: Thu May 07, 2009 8:40 am

Not to be a tree huger type or anything but the destroying of the tropical rain forest in the amazon as well as everywhere else has a lot to do with it. Mother natures way of cleaning the air. Why do the wall mart & shopping complex type developers always seem to pick on beautiful wooded areas to put up their crap & then a few years later the tax payer has to pay to bull-doze down the ones that were forced out of business?
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Re: The Cause of Global Warming

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu May 07, 2009 9:47 am

They have no problem doing that, while complaining endlessly about ATV & dirtbike riders...............

It's the liberal way: Complain until change is made. Then complain that it's not enough!
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