Another Obama attack on the 2A

Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:04 pm

I posted this previously as well.

Meet the man that introduced H.R. 45.

Bobby Rush, a very fine upstanding man with a long history with guns:

* Democratic Member of Congress
* Member of the radical Progressive Caucus
* In 1968, went AWOL from the U.S. Army
* Co-founder of the Illinois branch of the Black Panther Party
* In 1969, served six months in jail for an illegal weapons conviction
* Advocates reparations for African Americans

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/indi ... indid=1198
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: pvolcko On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:41 pm

LsFarm wrote:it must be stored in a 'nondescript bag'.. and, it has to be left behind in hotel rooms when on the road.


:shock: again.

Huh? They're less worried about untrained, unlicensed, slave wage maintenance or cleaning staff (possibly with criminal records), gaining access to the gun (locks are easily defeated once the whole thing is stolen) than simply letting the trained, responsible gun toting pilot carry concealed (even with the idiotic padlock on it)? Insanity. Pure insanity.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: Ed.A On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:05 pm

pvolcko wrote:Insanity. Pure insanity.


Moobats in charge of both Houses and Executive Branch.....yup Insanity.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: pvolcko On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:33 am

This program was crafted and signed into law in 2003, when Republicans had regained majority power in both chambers of congress. There was a great deal of democrat pushback on the concept and implementation of the program, there was political chum in the water with the expiration of the 1994 assault weapons ban coming up, and the 2004 elections were fast approaching. This whole thing smacks of abandoning intelligence and effective purpose in pursuit of bi-partisan cooperation. No doubt these were among the concessions made to avoid a shadow filibuster of the bill in the Senate, making it so laughably crippled and purposely inconvenient for pilots interested in it that it might as well not have been passed in the first place. Giant PR/political coup for the President and Republicans to run for reelection on, at least with conservatives and security minded indys. Protected for a while by slapping "national security" confidentiality requirements on them, the details would eventually become known and the farce that is that critical last line of defense when the *censored* hits the fan at 25,000 feet is finally exposed.

And instead of making the wrong right by either fixing the program's implementation or stopping the waste in money by showing some political backbone and scrapping the program outright, President Obama and crew decide to take perhaps the least honorable path. They leave the funding at current levels, have the TSA and Federal Air Marshall dept practically stop accepting applicants (thus having that budget go largely to waste), and leave the crippled implementation in place untouched. Why? Presumably with the hope that it will help push those pilots in the program out of it (due to frustration, not loss of desire to be trained and armed), which will allow the President and San Fran Nan to call the program a failure in about 2 years and only then cut the program, which they themselves put in a coffin and buried alive when they walked in the door.

Yet another example of both parties screwing the pooch for naked political expediency. Only difference in this case: Republican's failed while trying to do the right thing, Democrats just end up wasting time and money while trying not to get caught and blamed for doing the wrong thing.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:04 pm

There is no "gun show loophole".

I'll type it again for you, slower, so it will be clearer. "There is NO gun show loophole." There never was a "gun show loophole".

The bill, and all bills like it, are attempts to ban all PRIVATE SALES BETWEEN PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS! They are not referring to licensed firearms DEALERS at gun shows. They are talking about YOU and ME, when we sell a gun to someone else. That is what they are referring to. They want to ban ALL PRIVATE UNRECORDED SALES OF FIREARMS BETWEEN PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS who are NOT GUN DEALERS.

Is there any other way to explain this so it will be easier to understand?

I find your attitude toward the NRA and firearms owners tremendously silly, condescending, and foolish. The NRA is "moderate" when it comes to gun control. Many of the people involved in shooting sports consider them turncoats for their actions regarding the NICS system and its establishment.

Is there something difficult to grasp of the concept of you wanting to sell a gun to me, and NOT being able to do so because neither one of us is a LICENSED DEALER?

I personally am UP TO HERE with this foolishness.

Devil505 wrote:
cabinover wrote:I don't see how it could be any clearer Devil. Some of you can bury your head in the sand all you want but I'm glad to know about this stuff.


I'm not burying anything cabinover. As I said above, I have not read the bill & am trying to find it rather than reading the usual NRA hysteria against ANY gun control bill, If anyone has a link to either the bill itself or a reliable source for opinion, I'd welcome a link.
As a private citizen/multiple gun owner myself, I would not be in favor of any bill that really restricts me or makes me jump through hoops either, but I would be in favor of stopping "gun show" loopholes that don't infringe on my rights or the rights of most lawful gun owners.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:07 pm

Every pilot should be armed. They are the last line of defense between that plane being used to ram a building and kill thousands of people, and the plane flying to the destination and landing. Period, end of discussion. Any obfuscation by people who are scared of guns and know nothing of them is simply silly. What on earth is so complicated about a handgun that a pilot responsible for flying a jumbo jet wouldn't be able to learn in a couple hours?

You can not trust him to handle a firearm competently, he or she has absolutely no business behind the controls of a passenger airliner.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:54 am

I had a real scare yesterday, two well dressed men in black drove up in a black suburban. The first thing I could think of doing is hiding all my unregistered guns & hideing my ammo( lucky I have a long driveway). After getting the dogs to back off I opened the door & it was a couple of J. Witnesses, or just maybe G. Men in undercover. Don`t be fooled their coming to get your guns. Just figured I`d put this out as a public service message. BE ON GUARD
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:30 am

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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:01 pm

Don't worry when you see two in a suburban. They're not after your guns. They won't ever come for your guns, not in this lifetime. They'll come for your grandchildren's guns, when they've had the time to get their agenda "accepted". When they can marginalize gun owners, and their concerns. Then they'll come, and you won't be there, just the effects of your stupidity in accepting and furthering their agenda. That'll be there, loads of it.

Until someone comes up with something that actually makes some kind of sense, and will work, that doesn't impair my rights or the rights of future generations to own and possess firearms, I want to be left alone.

I've worked with and around guns for a living for a good part of my life. Now I am a physical therapist, and still carry a firearm. I won't be unarmed when the need to be armed arises.

I won't accept any law that makes it more difficult for me to obtain, possess, or carry, a firearm. Laws do not have any affect on criminals. Laws are not an impairment to criminals.

samhill wrote:I had a real scare yesterday, two well dressed men in black drove up in a black suburban. The first thing I could think of doing is hiding all my unregistered guns & hideing my ammo( lucky I have a long driveway). After getting the dogs to back off I opened the door & it was a couple of J. Witnesses, or just maybe G. Men in undercover. Don`t be fooled their coming to get your guns. Just figured I`d put this out as a public service message. BE ON GUARD
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:22 am

Leon, I think you need to take a chill pill. I was just trying to lighten things up a little, I did get the visit & was totally shocked that they could even find my house. I`m in a little pocket with just a couple houses & summer cottages on a dirt road completely surrounded by state lands. When I first moved here I had trouble finding it at night, can`t see a darn thing unless its a clear sky & a decent moon. If nothing else you got to give those people credit for trying.
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Re: Another Obama attack on the 2A

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:51 am

The fed. gov. has a couple ton of once fired brass in Georgia, you have to have a dealers license bu it doesn`t say anything about its being smashed only that its sold as scrap. It`s on the GSA auction site.
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