It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:14 am

That is all true devil but in his defense Dick told him it was OK.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:28 am

samhill wrote:That is all true devil but in his defense Dick told him it was OK.


Excellent point Sam....So I attach Kucinich's speech introducing articles of impeachment against Dick Cheney too:



Anyone who wants a written transcript, just let me know.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:30 am

But Dick said Don told him it was OK. See where I`m going with this? The whole bunch were from the same barrel of bad apples.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:37 am

samhill wrote:But Dick said Don told him it was OK. See where I`m going with this? The whole bunch were from the same barrel of bad apples.


I am simply refuting the basic premise of this thread, which attempts to re-write history & absolve GW Bush & the entire Republican Party from the obvious guilt they deserve as to the crisis we now face & of which the American voter found them "Guilty As Charged" last November.
I agree they were all from the same "barrel of bad apples".........a barrel with a large "R" printed on the side! :P
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:46 am

Oh....& one charge that really hurt Greg:
LsFarm wrote:and he loves to put out his infamous one-liners from the Liberal playbook.


I write all my "infamous one-liners"....myself!! :P :lol:
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:55 am

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat to blame. It's human nature. There's a lot of cracks in the dam, I don't know if The Patriot Act is the biggest one. There is a growing fear because we're all seeing the slow erosion of our American culture. The MSM doesn't help, does it?
I try to keep my vehicle paperwork current, in the meantime there are 600,000 illegals driving without insurance in NJ.
I want to support our military, now they're getting ready to release our enemies and we can't even call them enemy combatants anymore.
Shelly is planting collard greens on the white house lawn. Barry made fun of the developmentally disabled on Leno.
I always took for granted that I could work if I had the ambition.
I always took for granted that the US auto industry was the backbone of America.
I always took for granted that I would hear English spoken in my own country.
I still think all politicians are dishonorable.
Argue away guys...
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:00 am

Devil505 wrote:
samhill wrote:But Dick said Don told him it was OK. See where I`m going with this? The whole bunch were from the same barrel of bad apples.


I am simply refuting the basic premise of this thread, which attempts to re-write history & absolve GW Bush & the entire Republican Party from the obvious guilt they deserve as to the crisis we now face & of which the American voter found them "Guilty As Charged" last November.
I agree they were all from the same "barrel of bad apples".........a barrel with a large "R" printed on the side! :P


The "R" must stand for wicked rotten?? there was a very small "w" just before the rrrrrrrr 8-)
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:06 am

Dann757 wrote:I still think all politicians are dishonorable.


As cynical as I usually am Dann, I would have to disagree. I realize that all politicians are just human beings (subject to human frailties & weaknesses) but I actually believe SOME of them are honorable & try to do what's right. I believe that B. Obama is one of those & can only hope that I am right.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:30 am

Tell you what Devil. Why don't you hope in one hand and $h!t in the other and see which one fills up first.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:15 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:Devil, stop the bull with regard to the USA Patriot Act. Only 65 out of 210 democrats in the house were against the patriot act. Only 1 of 49 dems in the senate. The senate and house were nearly evenly represented at the time by d's and r's. In other words, It passed by overwhelming majorities in both houses and the explicit approval of the democrats.


In large part because much of the act was kept secret & lied about. There are parts of the USA Patriot Act that have already been rescinded with more to follow. Additionally, just because many Congressmen voted for it out of fear of losing votes does not bring much glory to either side of the aisle.It was a sad & inglorious day for the USA when that was passed, just like the incarceration of Japanese American citizens during WWII (lout of fear) was also a dark day in U.S. history which I have no doubt you probably still defend.



Hmm...you think your innocent representatives can be deceived and bullied into enacting laws they don't understand.( If that is the case why do you keep voting for them?) Stockingfull thinks that the law and the constitution are living breathing documents that can and should be changed by the judiciary to suit the modern needs of the people.

In the words of the late Geo. Carlin....It's all bullshit and it's bad for ya!

Both Jon and Dick (a perfect duo) believe in one principle of government....mob rule. They want more and more laws but wish to enforce them selectively in favor of the underclasses by interpreting them according to the emotion du jour. What a brilliant recipe for fascism. Bush wanted to get the foreign enemies. You want to get your ideological enemies. See the difference?

The legislators should read the damn bills they vote for. If they can't read it before the the vote, the bill is to damn long and to damn complicated. Legislators and only legislators are to blame for the USA Patriot act. They make the laws, not the president.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:22 pm

Nice try, Mike, but way below your usual standards for double-talk and changing the subject.

You made a superficial assertion about the USA Patriot Act, I blew it out of the water, and you're back to "mob rule." Hell, Mike, that's what the Brits said in 1775 about the founding fathers. I guess I should thank you.

The sad reality is that nobody in Congress has time to personally read all the legislation which is introduced, especially considering all the proposed bills that are never enacted and amendments that are considered and negotiated along the way to those that are, and committee reports and on and on. None of us could do it, and none of them can, either.

Plus, we've just gotten through the mystery amendment to the omnibus bill and, as it and the Patriot Act example show, it's been done this way for many years by both parties.

But I don't believe you're really that naive, Mike. Just that stubborn.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:41 pm

stockingfull wrote:Nice try, Mike, but way below your usual standards for double-talk and changing the subject.

You made a superficial assertion about the USA Patriot Act, I blew it out of the water, and you're back to "mob rule." Hell, Mike, that's what the Brits said in 1775 about the founding fathers. I guess I should thank you.

The sad reality is that nobody in Congress has time to personally read all the legislation which is introduced, especially considering all the proposed bills that are never enacted and amendments that are considered and negotiated along the way to those that are, and committee reports and on and on. None of us could do it, and none of them can, either.

Plus, we've just gotten through the mystery amendment to the omnibus bill and, as it and the Patriot Act example show, it's been done this way for many years by both parties.

But I don't believe you're really that naive, Mike. Just that stubborn.


I didn't change the subject, you and devil changed the subject. As a reminder, the subject is "don't blame GWB", not "how the democrats were duped by evil republicans". That's what you want to argue.

If legislators can't take the time to read the bill, then it's irresponsible to vote for it. Period. What good are mountains and mountains of lengthy laws if they are unread at enactment or can be changed by the powers of the judiciary or of the president? Is it all a smoke and mirrors display? Has it devolved that far? My God, I hope not.

What do you tell your clients about signing contracts before they or YOU read them? Like contracts, isn't the law binding and potentially costly also? Are you telling me that YOU don't read your clients lengthy contracts when they are presented for review? How would the fiduciary responsibility of a congressman be any different than yours?



As I said before, just because "it's been done this way for years" doesn't make it right.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:07 am

So I guess, when/if the GOP ever regains power, all further bills will be read by every legislator, right?

Then you'll be screaming about how little gets done. Then we'll all go to Evelyn Wood for speed reading. Then we'll be back to summaries, where they are now.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: spc On: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:11 am

stockingfull wrote:So I guess, when/if the GOP ever regains power, all further bills will be read by every legislator, right?

How about this, any bill when the word "TRILLION" is discussed must be read. :o

mikeandgerry wrote:What do you tell your clients about signing contracts before they or YOU read them?

Good point but don't hold your breath for an answer.
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Re: It's the Democrats, DON'T blame GWB !!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:13 am

mikeandgerry wrote:I didn't change the subject, you and devil changed the subject. As a reminder, the subject is "don't blame GWB", not "how the democrats were duped by evil republicans". That's what you want to argue.


Since you are so desperate to make sure we stick with the original subject of this thread Mike......Have you actually even read the 35 articles of impeachment formally filed against GW Bush on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives? I suggest you read them because those impeachment articles spell out many of the reasons why this country...( & the world for that matter) is in the trouble it now finds itself in & many of those articles are felonies under U.S. Law & War Crimes under In't. Law.
In actuality, Jon & I have never wandered from the subject at all & if you care to refute any of the impeachment articles on its own merits, I will be happy to oblige.

Edit: BTW, your premise for...... "As a reminder, the subject is "don't blame GWB, not "how the democrats were duped by evil republicans". That's what you want to argue."....is NOT the subject of this thread. Read the topic title again.......It starts with the accusation "Its the Democrats, Don't blame GWB!!".....Therefore refuting that ridiculous charge ( most importantly...already decisively refuted by the voters) is exactly ON SUBJECT.
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