HR-875 food safety bill.

e.alleg · By: **e.alleg** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:52 pm

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Bill HR875, basically it makes home gardening illegal and if you grow food anyway you can be searched and have your property seized. What a load of crap this is, it's like an extension of the Patriot act to empower the government to do whatever the hell they want. Can't even have an egg laying hen or you become subject to inspections.

brckwlt · By: **brckwlt** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:34 pm

This should be illegal ... one by one our right are disappearing

Ed.A · By: **Ed.A** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:00 pm

Pretty much like the Lead in toys, now they want all libraries to toss out any childrens books printed before 1986. Yup real sound policy. http://ourtaxdollarsatwork.blogspot.com ... k-ban.html or just google it....whatever.

You see? Goverment and their good intensions, screwing things up to no end. "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand” - Milton Friedman

BillMarti · By: **BillMarti** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:42 pm

So who voted them in please raise your hand and explain this blatant abuse of power. Power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts and we're not far from socialism.

Bill S.

jpete · By: **jpete** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:38 pm

I don't know. I don't get that out of this bill. I think the home grower for personal consumption is probably exempted by this section.

(19) PROCESS- The term `process' or `processing' means the commercial slaughter, packing, preparation, or manufacture of food.

The word "commercial" I think let's them out. I think farmers markets will be screwed, but the average person is probably OK.

Honestly, if the FDA doesn't know about the existence of an entire factory pumping contaminated peanuts into the system, do you really think they could regulate everybody's backyard garden?

Richard S. · By: **Richard S.** On: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:45 pm

This one peaked my interest and after a little research I don't think you should have any fear of the government coming in to regulate your garden. Matter of fact in the one article I read there is an exemption for farmers who sell directly to the consumer, e.g. farmers market, small family farm etc.

Having said that it's not good either and this will effect small commercial farms as if they haven't put up with enough already. The basics are they will have to track food and the government will have huge amount of oversight in what they can and cannot do apparently being to mandate pesticide use and basically how the farm is run. Large commercial farms will not have as many problems with such regulation and most likely would be setting the standard anyway.

Lastly one very interesting tidbit of information I came across is the bill's sponsor Rosa DeLauro (d) Ct. is married to person who works for Monsanto... Can you say conflict of interest?

Freddy · By: **Freddy** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:12 am

I didn't read the entire bill, but I don't see where it's going to effect home gardens or even local growers. It seems to be aimed at "the safety of the food supply". As in, food that is distributed en mas across the nation. For cryin' out loud, they don't have enough inspectors to find bad peanut butter in the largest supplier in the nation, you think they're going to come and stroke your carrots looking for bugs?

jpete · By: **jpete** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:26 am

It wouldn't surprise me Freddy. That's how these stories get started. People have no trouble believing that the government would do the dumbest, most costly thing they can imagine!

cabinover · By: **cabinover** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:42 am

And usually ARE doing just that.

Richard S. · By: **Richard S.** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:01 am

Freddy wrote: As in, food that is distributed en mas across the nation.

Well as I'm reading it this could really put a burden on the small farmer. The multitude of smaller dairy farms in this area come immediately to mind. Someone mentioned the the new toy rules above and it appears to have quite a parallel to that legislation. Mattel puts out toy with one million units and the testing costs are insignificant, the handmade toy operation that might be luck to put out few hundred units is greatly effected.

It appears we have some more legislation that will effect people causing the issue such as big corporate enterprises the least and those doing what they are supposed to be doing will bear the biggest burden.

Ed.A · By: **Ed.A** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:44 am

jpete wrote:Honestly, if the FDA doesn't know about the existence of an entire factory pumping contaminated peanuts into the system, do you really think they could regulate everybody's backyard garden?

Nope...but that doesn't mean it will stop them from TRYING.

beemerboy · By: **beemerboy** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:08 am

e.alleg wrote:http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu9zyocJJsR4AlI1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnZlZnRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw--/SIG=12290q21g/EXP=1237578610/**http%3a//www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/show

Bill HR875, basically it makes home gardening illegal and if you grow food anyway you can be searched and have your property seized. What a load of crap this is, it's like an extension of the Patriot act to empower the government to do whatever the hell they want. Can't even have an egg laying hen or you become subject to inspections.

I read the whole bill. I can't see where this would effect the home gardener. Maybe you could point out the relevant sections for me?

BillMarti · By: **BillMarti** On: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:16 pm

Ms BO has a garden on the White House lawn. It was on CNN and the local Grade school will maintain it. Don't know if any illegal aliens are involved yet.

Bill S.

samhill · By: **samhill** On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:27 am

Richard, funny you shoud mention dairy farmers, I was talking to my neighbor a few days ago & he asked me if I would want some free milk. It seems his price(per 100#) I think has been cut so much because of a min.price act of some kind, that he might just start dumping what he can`t give away & start back into regular farming. Between the regular inspections & rules about everything it just isn`t worth it, he even had to get permission to put a couple pigmy goats on his farm.

cArNaGe · By: **cArNaGe** On: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:22 pm

samhill wrote:Richard, funny you shoud mention dairy farmers, I was talking to my neighbor a few days ago & he asked me if I would want some free milk. It seems his price(per 100#) I think has been cut so much because of a min.price act of some kind, that he might just start dumping what he can`t give away & start back into regular farming. Between the regular inspections & rules about everything it just isn`t worth it, he even had to get permission to put a couple pigmy goats on his farm.

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