Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:59 am

Devil said,

He(& Rush) want another depression so badly he can't even hear the news or see the headlines correctly!
How can such an avowedly devout man be so filled with hate towards his fellow Americans that he'd rather see them suffering rather than simply admit he may be wrong after all?

Rush said (I'm not defending him) he hope his socialist agenda fails not that BO fails but what the shameless media quelled was this:

September 11, 2001, just minutes before the terrorist attacks, Carville told a group of Washington reporters: "I certainly hope he doesn't succeed."

Carville was joined by Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg, who seemed encouraged by a survey he had just completed that revealed public misgivings about the newly minted president.

"We rush into these focus groups with these doubts that people have about him, and I'm wanting them to turn against him," Greenberg admitted.

Of course, as soon as Carville heard of the terrorist attacks, he announced to all the reporters he was having breakfast with for them to "Disregard everything we just said! This changes everything!" And the press did just that, never reporting anything that Carville had said, for months and years afterward.

Will His spending agenda work Let the experts speak:

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.



Bill S.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:14 am

Oh give it a rest Devil! You lost because you can't defend your position. Your only reason is "Because Obama said so." Sorry to say Devil but presidents lie to further their agenda. GWB said Iraq had WMD's. Lie. Clinton said he didn't have sex with Monica. Lie. GHWB said "Read my lips." Lie. Reagan said he didn't approve arms for hostages. Lie. Nixon said he wasn't involved in Watergate. Lie. And until you can defend your position, I call checkmate.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:17 am

BillMarti wrote:Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


I hear you Bill but.....what does that prove? (it proves that different economists have different opinions, right?.....So what??) For every opinion one side has here will be the exact opposite views on the other side.
"Expert" opinion is merely one factor for any jury to take into consideration when they (jury) decide the FACT.


BillMarti wrote:After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

& do you dispute that I could research & find many others who would say that Roosevelt's New Deal brought us OUT of the depression?

We could all research & post expert opinions to reinforce ANY position we happen to believe....till the cows come home! The final proof will be in the pudding & I will not guarantee results... either way... the way you & others here are trying to do.
If you can see into the future so surely.......I'd be more impressed if you would just give me tonight's lottery number!!! :up:
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:38 am

Tonights lottery # willbe 26******* surely you didn`t expect them all.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:45 am

samhill wrote:Tonights lottery # willbe 26******* surely you didn`t expect them all.


Of course not!! (not from ONE person anyway!)....but if I can get a few accurate numbers from a few different people...... :lol:
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:54 am

Wrong again Devil. Just because you can find some to say the opposite of me doesn't make me wrong. If that were the case then there would be no such thing as a fact. Just like the Flat Earth Society can be proven wrong because I can show that in fact the Earth is (roughly) round, it can be shown that government intervention is damaging to a free market. Always. One side is right and one side is wrong. Which side do you want to be on?
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:05 am

jpete wrote:Which side do you want to be on?


The side that doesn't fall for crazy conspiracy stories that our President is actually an illegal alien, who is not the most "vetted" President in history after running against Hillary Clinton for over a year & then the entire Republican Party....with "Teams" of operatives just looking for ANYTHING that would knock him out of the race.
Compared to that whopper.....I think the flat earth believers are pretty level headed!
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:11 am

Heck jpete, I think the lack of goverment intervention is what got us to this point now. Wall st. & others have proven that they need restraints.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:21 am

Did the same group who "vetted" Obama also "vet" his cabinet picks who "Oops, didn't pay my taxes" how many times? 6? Or was it 8? And those are the ones we know about. How about the "Oops, I was employing illegal aliens"? That pack of dogs could use a good vet. Maybe he could stop them form chewing themselves up! :D And because of all the vetting, hiring for most department heads has come to a standstill. I think he appointed around 80 of 250 positions. The questionaire has ballooned to 100 pages. I think it shows that there aren't 100 people in D.C. that are honest. Goood luck with your diversionary tactics Devil. It still doesn't make you or Obama right. Better be prepared for another FDR/Japanese style "Lost Decade".
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:32 am

samhill wrote:Heck jpete, I think the lack of goverment intervention is what got us to this point now. Wall st. & others have proven that they need restraints.

Don't confuse "regulation" with "intervention" as some are trying to do. Regulation is fine. Every game needs rules. Intervention tips the game to one side or the other. Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs all played by the same rules. But two of them don't exist anymore and one does. That's because of government intervention. And is it any surprise that the one still standing is the former employer of the then Treasury Secretary? Who's to say GS shouldn't be belly up right now? We'll never know because government intervened and declared them the winner.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:35 am

Just stating known facts whereas you state opinion. I choose the facts as jpete did. I did the the research as you can see on my own. Try it.

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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:40 am

BillMarti wrote:Just stating known facts whereas you state opinion. I choose the facts as jpete did. I did the the research as you can see on my own. Try it.

Bill S.


No bill........you repost OPINIONS & claim they are facts.......Opinions are not facts.




These are OPINIONS Bill....the fact that you agree with them does not change their status from to OPINION to FACT




BillMarti wrote:Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


BillMarti wrote:After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.





Let's try an experiment:

Opinion or Fact?:

1. If I walk outside & let go of a hammer,..... it will normally fall down to the ground rather than up into the sky....Fact or opinion?

2. Chocolate ice cream tastes better than strawberry?..Fact or opinion?


What you are claiming is that if YOU prefer chocolate, then example # 2 above is a FACT. (get it?)
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:57 am

I don`t know bear stearns own website claims it was lack of the Feds. no intervening that caused their colaspe, & LeMan Bros. filed back in 08, about 6 mo.s after b.s. went belly up both in 08 but some how that was Obama`s fault? Unless I mistook your post I don`t think so.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:40 am


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stimulus_jobs_numbers
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:17 pm

But the FACT Devil is that in 1920 when there was a crash and the government literally did nothing we were back again in one year. But the same event in 1929 brought government intervention in the form of the "Smoot Hawley Tarriff Act" which made things worse and then FDR's alphabet soup of intervention prolonged it until WWII broke out. And it was manufacturing and war bonds that pulled us out. Nothing else. The fact that we owned our own debt is important. Today China, Japan and the UAE own most of our debt. A critical difference. Those are facts not opinions. Government intervention is always bad mo matter what Obama told you.
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