Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:54 am

I like the "Fire In the crowded movie theater" analogy so let me embellish a bit:

We Americans are huddled together in a crowded movie theater that is on fire & we'll all die if we stay there & do nothing.
While the majority of the audience (RNC, Fox News, many members here) are wringing their hands & screaming "FIRE" at the top of their lungs, a few people are forming behind one audience member (President Obama) who seems calm, is trying to form a bucket brigade (to fight the fire) at the same time he is pointing out fire exits which he feels will lead us safely out of the theater.

We all have a choice:
1. Sit in our seats & continue to scream "FIRE"
2. Join the bucket brigade which at least has a chance of putting out the fire
3. Try to escape the building though one of the EXITS that B. Obama is pointing too

I've made my choice & have stuffed cotton in my ears to drown out the (unhelpful) screaming from the terrified audience who are frozen in their seats ;)
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:05 am

What if our deficit hadn't been tripled after the democrats took office. Oh yeah we can't blame BO but they can blame Bush because they don't know any other way to handle responsibility of their direct actions but to blame some one else. If Bo is doing such a great why is China getting nervous? And no WE didn't elect BO he was elected on the promises he blatantly broke in his first 8 weeks in office. Last time I read the statistics he dropped to 62% which is lower than Bush at the same time frame. Tell me your party was not guilty of the same tactics when Bush took office you can dish it out but you can't take it.


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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:11 am

Devil505 wrote:I like the "Fire In the crowded movie theater" analogy so let me embellish a bit:


Not a great analogy, it's our money they are burning.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:12 am

BillMarti wrote:Tell me your party was not guilty of the same tactics when Bush took office you can dish it out but you can't take it.


Bill S.


Sorry Bill....I can't hear you screaming FIRE with this cotton in my ears. Wanna get down off your chair & grab a bucket & help fight this fire? (we'll debate fire prevention theory at a later date) ;)
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:15 am

coaledsweat wrote:
Devil505 wrote:I like the "Fire In the crowded movie theater" analogy so let me embellish a bit:


Not a great analogy, it's our money they are burning.



I really don't care what's burning at this point....(I'll let the fire examiner discover those details tomorrow) Today...I just want to keep from burning to death! :fear: :devil:
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:16 am

I could have won a bet on that one devil you a most definitely predictable.

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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:17 am

. Last time I read the statistics he dropped to 62% which is lower than Bush at the same time frame.


Not correct.

From Gallup as of March 16. http://www.gallup.com/poll/116845/Obama ... inton.aspx

Gallup's mid-March job approval rating for Bush, measured March 9-11, 2001, was 58%, with 29% disapproval. Gallup's March 12-14, 1993, approval rating for Clinton was 53%, with 34% disapproval. Both of these approval ratings are lower than Obama's current 61%. Bush's disapproval rating in mid-March 2001 was about the same as Obama's is now (28%), while Clinton's disapproval rating was significantly higher.

-snip-

As is the case for most presidents, there are sharp partisan differences in Obama's job approval rating. Among Republicans, Obama's average approval for the past week (March 9-15) is 26%, among independents it is 59%, and among his fellow Democrats, 91%.

-snip-

Bottom Line

Although Obama's job approval ratings have become more negative in the weeks since his inauguration, they remain at or above the ratings of his two immediate predecessors at similar points in their nascent presidencies. The major reason Obama's ratings have declined has been a drop in approval among Republicans, from 41% to 26%. Obama's approval ratings among independents and Democrats remain high, and have not changed significantly.

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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:20 am

BillMarti wrote:I could have won a bet on that one devil you a most definitely predictable.

Bill S


(Points to the cotton in his ears) Sorry Bill.....I just can't hear you. ;)

(leaves Bill (who is clutching his wife & Bible while screaming FIRE)...,...& turns around to continue fighting the fire....)
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: titleist1 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:35 am

Devil505 wrote:


Seems like the worst fears of many of you is happening.........The U.S. economy is getting better!! :up: :devil:


I'm not saying anything other than your above proclamation is the poster child for "way too early to tell anything".

As far as "best economists in the world".....I'm assuming one of the genius economists you refer to is our esteemed tax evading secretary of the treasury, the guy who was a key player in the previous bailout packages and now that he has learned from his mistakes is orchestrating the new toxic asset bailout. It gives me great confidence that the D and R legislators that couldn't find the time to read what they previously approved are ready to do it all over again. I don't think you realize that many of these same genius economists advising the President were involved with the D & R legislators to come up with the initial bailout packages last year. As far as I'm concerned, the D's and R's are still arguing about what shade of gray to paint the wall.

As for specific solutions, a few broad strategies that I believe would have been a better direction...specifics to follow after I retire and have the time to flesh them out. Since it is our legislators jobs to hammer out the specifics with all our tax dollars at their disposal for research, I'll let them have at it first.

The Fed Reserve needs to be overhauled, subject to oversight & audits (they aren't now) and may even need to be obliterated. A much smaller scale "program" should have been implemented to see what would work and what wouldn't before wasting hundreds and hundreds of Billions of future generations (Chinese and American) dollars. The fear mongering the D's complained about with respect to the R's was used by the D's with respect to the economy to push through the latest huge bailout package. Many of the bailed out institutions should be allowed to fail since they were not smart enough to run their businesses. AIG should not have been bailed out as an entity, parts of it could have been saved to keep the supposed total and irreversible economic devastation from happening, but other "divisions" should have been pruned. "Retention Bonuses" are a joke, since when do we want to retain the fools that ran their businesses into the ground? Auto businesses should go into some form of bankruptcy so that current contracts and obligations can be renegotiated to account for current business models. Troop levels should not be increased in Afghanistan as the current President is doing and troop levels should in both Iraq and Afghanistan should be drawn down to zero, that would save a few dollars.

I hope that the CHANGE the majority of Americans thought they were voting for last November actually happens, but with the same players on the field I don't believe it will.

One other pop culture observation regarding the new administration...
Maybe it is due to a honeymoon period, but the satirical comedy shows I have seen have really given the new President a free pass. There has been plenty of material for them to use and I have not seen it on the Comedy channel, SNL, Leno or Letterman. They all had no problem using the mountain of material GWB supplied and I'm glad they did. I noticed last night that Letterman still skewers GWB rather than going after the new President. I think that although these shows are entertainment, they do play a role in keeping the people in power grounded at least in the public's eyes by lampooning them and keeping issues in front of the public through comedy. For example, going back a ways, when the Enron fiasco was unfolding Leno and Letterman kept their jokes going for weeks (Letterman had the "Ken Lay" guy in the audience) which helped keep people from forgetting about the justice that needed to be pursued. Maybe I am missing all the good stuff, but I hope they take off the gloves.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: titleist1 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:36 am

Devil505 wrote:

I really don't care what's burning at this point....(I'll let the fire examiner discover those details tomorrow) Today...I just want to keep from burning to death! :fear: :devil:



This isn't "fear mongering" is it???
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: billlindley On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:49 am

Devil505 wrote:
billlindley wrote:Not blaming nor praising anyone just simply saying let’s wait until we say it’s all over.


I think anyone would agree with that. My question....& the reason why I posted this "Tongue In Cheek" thread is simply this:

What are all the "Nay Sayers" going to say IF this economy really does turn around in a sustained way & IF the CHANGE we all voted for last November really has occurred?
What will the RNC & Fox News have left to complain about??.......President Obama's choice of neckties?...Lack of bowling skills?.....He's too skinny? ;)


Clearly they could complain about him attending basketball games, having to many parties, getting to camp david by week 3 of his presidency, etc.

I really don't care who fixes this mess or who is blamed. I just don't want the solution to this mess simply create a larger more insurmountable mess in the future.
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:51 am

titleist1 wrote:I'm not saying anything other than your above proclamation is the poster child for "way too early to tell anything".


Fair point that I've already acknowledged. (obviously it's too early for any final verdicts & this entire thread is a bit "Tongue In Cheek"......but yesterday's rally is at least a hopeful sign. Anyone who claims to know what will eventually happen is either kidding themselves or us or both)

titleist1 wrote:The Fed Reserve needs to be overhauled, subject to oversight & audits (they aren't now) and may even need to be obliterated.

Agreed

titleist1 wrote:A much smaller scale "program" should have been implemented to see what would work and what wouldn't before wasting hundreds and hundreds of Billions of future generations (Chinese and American) dollars.

Disagree. The very size of the program is required to hopefully instill the confidence necessary for success.

titleist1 wrote:AIG should not have been bailed out as an entity, parts of it could have been saved to keep the supposed total and irreversible economic devastation from happening, but other "divisions" should have been pruned.

Agreed


titleist1 wrote:troop levels should in both Iraq and Afghanistan should be drawn down to zero, that would save a few dollars.

Agreed after a short term boost to provide elections security over there.

titleist1 wrote:Auto businesses should go into some form of bankruptcy so that current contracts and obligations can be renegotiated to account for current business models

Agreed

titleist1 wrote:I hope that the CHANGE the majority of Americans thought they were voting for last November actually happens, but with the same players on the field I don't believe it will.


I disagree & think the CHANGE we voted for (from the Bush policies) has already largely occurred from the announcing of GITMO closing to refunding of science & stem cell research, to renouncing state sponsored torture to reintroduction of diplomacy to proper government oversight to...........There has already been a vast CHANGE for the better, imo! :up:
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:59 am

Did anyone notice the DOW today -87.60 what happened. Well the happy dance is slowing down. Did BO give another speech?


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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:59 am

billlindley wrote:Clearly they could complain about him attending basketball games, having to many parties, getting to camp david by week 3 of his presidency, etc.


Let's not forget that, first & foremost, President Obama is the father of 2 young girls & takes that role very seriously. Put it this way:
If he wasn't acting like a responsible father his RNC/Fox News enemies would be scolding him for that.

BUT


When he takes time to be a good family man/father......They scold him for that!

(get it??..........President Obamas' detractors have a play book that chastises him not matter what he does...yet they found no problems with his predecessor.

Edit: That's why The Republican Party will remain on the sidelines, out of power & impotent until they actually begin to stand FOR something...rather than just AGAINST any change. They want us all to remain seated in the theater & not worry about the flames surrounding us because......There may be terrorists outside with AK47's!!! :fear: :rambo2: :devil:

BS!!!
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Re: Horrible News For Anti-Obamaniacs. Economy Is Improving!

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:04 pm

Devil505 wrote:
4. Lets raise the taxes of the middle class so that they can't afford to pay their mortgages, buy cars or do anything but pay their taxes ......which will now be collected at the filling station & the name changed from the unpopular "Income Tax" to something more appealing......hmm...How about gasoline & home heating oil?


Actually, the middle class and poor are absolutely hammered by the inflation tax.

Central Bank manipulation :
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