HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:38 pm

Note title has been edited, full bill title: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act
(7) Recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission's findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4). In making such recommendations, the Commission shall address among other issues, the following questions:

  • (A) Whether the Government of the United States should offer a formal apology on behalf of the people of the United States for the perpetration of gross human rights violations on African slaves and their descendants.
  • (B) Whether African-Americans still suffer from the lingering effects of the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), and (4).
  • (C) Whether, in consideration of the Commission's findings, any form of compensation to the descendants of African slaves is warranted.
  • (D) If the Commission finds that such compensation is warranted, what should be the amount of compensation, what form of compensation should be awarded, and who should be eligible for such compensation.


Apparently this bill is not new and has been reintroduced every session by Mr. Conyers since 1989.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Paulie On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:28 pm

Ya , it has been around for a while. It is not going anywhere. Makes people all kinds of crazy when they read it, either for or
against. Just "coal juice" tossed on the simmering racial fires.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:33 pm

Paulie wrote: I wonder if the families of the
members of the union army will be compensated?


Ya know, I was wondering about that myself. My Great-Great Grandfather was a soldier in the Union Army during the Civil War.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Paulie On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:37 pm

You could effectively argue that as a nation we have already paid the price with interest.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:43 pm

Well there has been many races and peoples exploited through the years. For example coal miners in Pennsylvania, both adults and children. You cold argue they had choice to go into the mines but not really. The mines owned everything including the housing, stores and whatever else you might have. Wages were kept at point so they could just afford the rent and necessities of life and in some cases below it so they perpetually in debt. So the choice was to either work or starve to death, basically a slave. there's other instances of what would considered crimes against races as well, the Chinese come to mind.

The point is this, if the African American population deserves this their is many others out their that can claim the same thing. Granted many slaves were brought here against their will but that is about where the major differences end IMO.

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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:50 pm

Richard S. wrote:Well there has been many races and peoples exploited through the years. For example coal miners in Pennsylvania, both adults and children. You cold argue they had choice to go into the mines but not really. The mines owned everything including the housing, stores and whatever else you might have. Wages were kept at point so they could just afford the rent and necessities of life and in some cases below it so they perpetually in debt. So the choice was to either work or starve to death, basically a slave. there's other instances of what would considered crimes against races as well, the Chinese come to mind.

The point is this, if the African American population deserves this their is many others out their that can claim the same thing. Granted many slaves were brought here against their will but that is about where the major differences end IMO.


I agree with you Richard.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:13 pm

The slaves for the most part were sold to the traders by their kings, tell them to sue their kings.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:20 pm

If I remember my history correctly the Irish were considered a lower cast than the blacks. Which doesn't make any kind of prejudice right. But if you start making reparations where will it stop we shown disrespect to many races in our history. Hate is a learned character.

Bill S.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:40 pm

BillMarti wrote:If I remember my history correctly the Irish were considered a lower cast than the blacks.


Lots of Irish miners alongside Italians and Slavic decent in this area. If you live in my area and are white the chances of you being able to trace your ancetors back to those roots is probably about 90%. There's even still may full blooded people living in this area that have been here for 3,4 and even 5 generations.

As benefit we have some of the best damn authentic/Americanized Italian and Polish food in the world. I'd mention Irish but do they know how to cook other than boil? :lol:
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:56 am

I would agree that reparations were due to slaves, but are there any living?

We are all the distant ancestors of some oppressed group. Sure it would be nice to repair the wrong. The problem is it cannot be done equitably. Those wronged are dead. To pay their ancestors is also wrong. Will the ancestors of west African natives who rounded up their adversaries to sell them to European slave traders also be paying reparations? I think not.

Should I feel guilty because my Dutch ancestors conned the natives out of Manhattan? Should we sign a treaty to allow the Indians to settle Central Park or put up a casino in NYC? Get real.

This nation has mended its ways. There is nothing more of substance that can be done. I am beginning to think the left wingers are truly mentally unstable. If John Conyers has introduced this same bill every year for twenty years, then I think a case could be made that he is unstable.

I can think of a compromise though....the congress can pass an eloquent bill apologizing for the actions of our misguided founding white ancestors who endorsed slavery, paying reparations to every African American decended of a slave in the token amount of one dollar, payable as a refundable tax credit. Would that make everyone happy? The symbolism would be compelling for the left and the consideration would be fair for all.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: billlindley On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:44 am

If you run down the list of who has been wronged by the creation of the United States you would find that everyone is entitled to some sort of repayment. But what would monetary payments to African Americans at this time solve? I am sure many African Americans could in some way, shape, or form have relatives that they can prove were slaves. The same can be said for many “white” families owning slaves – the family history could probably be traced to prove this somehow. My point would be let’s say my family had slaves (not possible because my polish great great grandfather came to this country in the early 1900’s with his wife and 2 children). Why should I now be responsible for their ills? Why should the current government be forced to make payments to compensate people who may have faced discrimination but not slavery? Does that make slavery go away?

Another question. How will Mexicans be viewed in 200 years? Now they are not necessarily brought here against their own will and they do have better conditions then slaves had but they are performing many of the same tasks that slaves performed for near “slave” wages.

And speaking of my great great grandfather. Some “white” man ripped off half of his last name to make him seem more “American” (Romanowski was stripped to simply Roman). I could argue that I have mental trauma over that since he was quite upset. I deserve and apology and at least $100,000.

I think Native Americans have a better right to more reparations then a few casinos as this thing of ours was started by simply eliminating all natives.

Aren’t the Jews still persecuted in the US and all over?
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: Steve.N On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:26 am

In 1861 a war was begun that was responsible for more American deaths than all other conflicts combined. Approximately 360,000 of those that died either by direct combat or disease fought for the union army. The preponderance of those men were white fighting for the end of slavery, I feel that a big debt was paid from 1861 to 1865 on behalf of the freedom of the black man. My opinion is that if an apology and reparations are due they should come from the African people that seized their countrymen and sold them into slavery in the first place. According to internet articles the slave trade continues to flourish today even though there is an international ban.

http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2005/i ... 05p28.html
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:05 am

I say do away with all slavery once & for all & that includes the volentary slavery of public housing & generational welfare. My home town had ethnic areas as most old towns did & the areas were well kept with pride & paid for with hard work & sweat. If you just sit back & allow the gov. to provide for you then you have lost that inner sense of self pride & allowed yourself to become inslaved.
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Re: HR40: Commission to Study Reparation for African-Amer.

PostBy: JohnMck On: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:42 am

Personnally, I feel that reparations were paid, on every Civil War battlefield. But, okay, everyone who was actually a slave can receive a check by stopping by my place. The rest of them can stop crying about something that was not done to them.
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