Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:58 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:Another thing they teach you in DEA school Devil? A lie of omission is still a lie. You left out the best part which I thankfully included for you below.

Thus, the Court gave up the power to issue writs, but affirmed their power of judicial review, saying that if a law written by the legislature conflicts with the Constitution, the law is "null and void."


I guess some people just can't debate without resorting to childish name calling.
What does that sentence mean to you?..."Thus, the Court gave up the power to issue writs, but affirmed their power of judicial review, saying that if a law written by the legislature conflicts with the Constitution, the law is "null and void."
What is your legal interpretation of that sentence?


It means that no matter how much you or anyone else wants it to be true, any law that contradicts the Constitution is not a law.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:59 pm

jpete wrote:It means that no matter how much you or anyone else wants it to be true, any law that contradicts the Constitution is not a law.


& who can make that decision?
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:00 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:It means that no matter how much you or anyone else wants it to be true, any law that contradicts the Constitution is not a law.


& who can make that decision?


The People
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:01 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:The sentence states that the Constitution is paramount.


Of cxourse, but who interprets what the Constitution really means if there is a dispute?...THE SCOTUS


No "interpretation" needed. It's written in plain English and it says what it means. Only people who hope to twist it to their own ends need to "interpret" it.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:02 pm

As in Prop. 8 in California!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:03 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:It means that no matter how much you or anyone else wants it to be true, any law that contradicts the Constitution is not a law.


& who can make that decision?


I can. I am fully capable of reading a law, comparing it to the Constitution and knowing whether or not there is a conflict.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:05 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:The SCOTUS does have the final say on the Constitutionality of all law except the Constitution itself.

So who decides what the Constitution means then?...YOU? ;)


mikeandgerry wrote:hey can interpret it but they cannot change its original meaning. That's all I'm saying. Your argument that "infringed" could be interpreted by the SCOTUS to mean something else would be grounds for revolt.

Revolt all you want......Interpreting the Constitution means the SCOTUS is the only entity authorized to interpret/decide/guess...what the founding fathers meant to say when they wrote it. If that isn't tru, tell me who else can make such an interpretation/decision?? (the local Sheriff?........The Sec. of The Treasury??...who?)
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:07 pm

jpete wrote:I can. I am fully capable of reading a law, comparing it to the Constitution and knowing whether or not there is a conflict.


So why are lawyers wasting their time arguing cases b4 the SCOTUS?....Why not just bring them to jpete for a final decision?
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:08 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:The SCOTUS does have the final say on the Constitutionality of all law except the Constitution itself.

So who decides what the Constitution means then?...YOU? ;)


mikeandgerry wrote:hey can interpret it but they cannot change its original meaning. That's all I'm saying. Your argument that "infringed" could be interpreted by the SCOTUS to mean something else would be grounds for revolt.

Revolt all you want......Interpreting the Constitution means the SCOTUS is the only entity authorized to interpret/decide/guess...what the founding fathers meant to say when they wrote it. If that isn't tru, tell me who else can make such an interpretation/decision?? (the local Sheriff?........The Sec. of The Treasury??...who?)


No, Devil, only the people get to decide what the Constitution means through Constitutional Convention.
SCOTUS only decides what the people meant. If the court or politicians manipulate that, the republic is lost.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:09 pm

Devil,
You need to read the first 3 words of the CONSTITUTION.

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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:11 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:I can. I am fully capable of reading a law, comparing it to the Constitution and knowing whether or not there is a conflict.


So why are lawyers wasting their time arguing cases b4 the SCOTUS?....Why not just bring them to jpete for a final decision?


Oh c'mon, you tried that tired argument with me.

You sound like the Roman Catholic Church: Only the church leadership can interpret the Bible?...what baloney. Both the Bible and the Constitution were written for the people to understand directly. There are no elitists, just people who think they are elite

Edit: My apologies to Roman Catholics!
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:11 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:I can. I am fully capable of reading a law, comparing it to the Constitution and knowing whether or not there is a conflict.


So why are lawyers wasting their time arguing cases b4 the SCOTUS?....Why not just bring them to jpete for a final decision?


I'm free Monday's and Friday's. I could reduce the backlog in about a month. At least we could have some of those "speedy trials" like the Constitution promised us!
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:11 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,
You need to read the first 3 words of the CONSTITUTION.

Bill S.


Amen.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:14 pm

There are facts the are not debatable "WE THE PEOPLE"


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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:18 pm

Argue with this:

Chief Justice Marshall's ruling interpreted the Constitution to mean that the Supreme Court had the power of judicial review. That is, the Court had the right to review acts of Congress and, by extension, actions of the President. If the Court found that a law was unconstitutional, it could overrule the law. Marshall argued that the Constitution is the “supreme law of the land” and that the Supreme Court has the final say over the meaning of the Constitution. He wrote, “lt is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is.”

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=+importance+of+Marbury+V+Madison&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infoplease.com%2Fus%2Fsupreme-court%2Fcases%2Far20.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Or this:
Today Marbury is generally considered to be the most important early U.S. Supreme Court decision and the leading precedent for the idea that the Court has the power—and the duty—to strike down acts of Congress that violate the Constitution.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=+importance+of+Marbury+V+Madison&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fencarta.msn.com%2Fencyclopedia_761571106%2Fmarbury_v_madison.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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