Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

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PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 pm

Devil505 wrote:
spc wrote:Pretty sick post.


I disagree & think the original post makes allot of sense....... what doesn't make sense is after this slimeball killed 3 of their friends, how could the cops just "Arrest" this guy? (I'm sure there are some petty angry higher-ups in the PD right now & the cops that arrested this jerk are not real popular at the station right now)


Maybe because unlike some people I can think of they take their oath seriously and believe in this persons Constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial?

I know that doesn't mean that much to you Devil but my faith is renewed that these officers could contain their personal feelings and do the job they swore to do.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:46 pm

jpete wrote:Maybe because unlike some people I can think of they take their oath seriously and believe in this persons Constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial?

I know that doesn't mean that much to you Devil but my faith is renewed that these officers could contain their personal feelings and do the job they swore to do.



Boy..have we reversed our usual positions here Jeff! :lol:
(difference is, you have the luxury of looking at this story in theoretical terms & I am now speaking from the gut...not the brain....Theoretically, legally & probably morally...you are of course right & I am reacting strictly emotionally......How's THAT for a switch?

Problem is, I am as serious as a heart attack when I say he should not have gone anywhere but the county morgue. I admit that I'm wrong & you are right....but that's the way I feel....nonetheless
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:05 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:............ it's Bushes fault.

[/sarcasm]


You are 100% right on that, I bet he and Karl Rove (or even Cheney) planned this whole thing on the Tx ranch last week, and they are going to parlay it into an attack on Iran or North Korea or sumpin' Yeah, that's it, you know he is still pulling the strings. Come on Dev, tell us what you really think :clap: :clap:
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:06 pm

Complete Heat wrote:If he surrenders, the Police have no choice but to arrest him.

There's always a choice....It just depends on who's making that choice & under what circumstances.

Complete Heat wrote:If one of the cops shot him in cold blood, then he is just as guilty as the shooter

The way some would look at it is that the cops would have just been saving the taxpayers a ton of money, their blood would have been HOT not cold.... & they would have been probably saving other lives in the future.

Complete Heat wrote:and would be prosecuted like any other murderer.

Possible but not at all certain, depending on the immediate circumstances. This guy already killed 3 officers & the ones still alive would obviously be in rightful fear for their lives. (totally dependent on circumstances)

Complete Heat wrote:A true professional does not let emotions interfere with his stated mission.

Unless you can find LEOs from the planet Vulcan, I don't think you'll ever find one that is devoid of emotion in a situation like that. As long as LEOs are human beings, you expect too much, in some circumstances.
Can you really tell me that the North Hollywood bank robbers (in 1997) didn't deserve to die on the scene of their attempted massacre?
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:47 pm

tvb wrote:Keep up the repeating of the fine tall tales told by fools like Limbaugh, the NRA, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann and the rest of the neo-con fear mongers. It will certainly weed out the gullible and weak-minded but at what cost?


I fear the electric rates will rise dramatically over the next few years because of the legislation Obama is supporting. Under your argument if I rig my power box to electrocute the first power company worker that touches it then the blame for this act lies with people such as myself expressing fears about how much this is going to cost the American taxpayer?

People who support gun rights have every right to express themselves and certainly considering the previous action of Obama where gun rights are concerned they have a very legitimate concerns as to what he is going to do. You only have to look at his voting record and comments (or lack of when the Supreme Court passed their recent decision).

Devil505 wrote:what doesn't make sense is after this slimeball killed 3 of their friends, how could the cops just "Arrest" this guy?


Because if they did anything else people such as Barney Frank, Pelosi... the ACLU would go off their rocker. Remember this is a person and any further police action will only anger him furhter. We need to help this person overcome his fear of the police so we can put him back into society, hopefully running the local police charity. :roll:
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:31 am

Taking some liberal edits with WoodnCoal's post in another thread, pun intended. ...

A man named Devil was into his retirement. He considered himself to be a Democrat, and was very much in favor of gun control. He had deep feeling of superiority in his stance and was concerned about his fellow forum members opposite views and openly expressed it. Based on the discussion he had with the other gun control advocates he had participated in, and the occasional chat with a minority of other fellow forum members he felt that the others harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep their guns.

One day while challenging a forum member on his opposition to gun control laws he came to the conclusion that his position had to be right as three police officers were just murdered by gun toting whacko. He indicated these thoughts to his fellow forum members.

A fellow forum member asks him how his marksmanship is, Devil responds good. The fellow forum member asks him what he would have done if he was there, Devil responds "I'd have shot the bastard"


Devil... " Welcome to the Republican party."

:up:
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:50 am

tvb wrote:
Not at all - this fool didn't dream up his fears of Obama taking his guns away on his own. If you think otherwise, you have some explaining to do to those here who believe the same thing and get their information from the same sources.


Gee, tvb, what ever happened to personal initative and responsibility? Have you been drinking the kool-aid so long now that the idea of anyone having any original thoughts or actions is inconceivable? Something bad has happened! Quick, let’s find someone to blame; anyone but the individual! I for one have been taught, in spite of the government schools I've attended and 16 years in the military to think for myself. I also listen to the "right wing media" since they provide the news that the left wing propaganda ministry (the press) won't. The evidence of what Obama and the left are trying to do to this country is clear for anyone willing to look beyond their nose. If you have time and wanted to waste a few hours (sarcasm) you really should read "Liberty and Tyranny” by Mark Levin. That is if you can get a copy; this is the number one selling book in the US after all. Don’t worry it’s written so that a graduate from our government schools can read and understand it.

Oh, wait, why would you want to read anything that is documented so that the facts are traceable and people can be held accountable? Oh, I see, the truth doesn’t fit into your scenario of life. You are willing to take everything liberals tell you at full value despite being presented with multiply sources confirming the truth. Jeez, you just have to look at Obama’s record on the 2 Amendment to see where that’s going – he put a man with an even stronger anti-gun record in the number one law enforcement job in the country. As Attorney General, Holder isn’t even supposed to be political, he is supposed to enforce the laws that the Congress passes. Instead he is riding around on his white horse (is that racist) (more sarcasm) trying to save the country from the people since we obviously need protecting from ourselves. Give me a break! The only thing I need saving from is the left wing liberal socialistic programs now being imposed on the country.

I am going to leave this topic now because there isn’t anything to be gained from continuing. I know your view, you know mine; there isn’t anything else to say without sending my blood pressure off the charts. If you think of anything original to say, PM me. Lisa
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:17 am

Richard S. wrote:Devil... " Welcome to the Republican party."
:up:


I understand the sentiment/irony Richard & appreciate your intention but I don't feel the Republican Party is a group that truly stands for anything anymore... except greed, hypocrisy & self-interest & would certainly not welcome my kind, nor I feel any member of this forum. The Republican Party today is the exclusive party of rich, white men who attend the proper church, belonged to the proper fraternity (Skull & Bones) & pretend to still be something they haven't been in about 50 years.

Getting back to the topic though, I was tired last night when I wrote my earlier statements, so I guess I was just "Firing from the hip" but........I still stand behind what I said: That killer deserved to have justice exacted...on the spot.....immediately.....& with no fanfare by the remaining officers. As in warfare occasionally (not the Hollywood type warfare of movies & fantasy, but the real thing).......sometimes surrender should not be an option to a person who has committed a particularly heinous act.

Example:
During the Battle of the Bulge, German SS troops slaughtered a bunch of surrendered American GI's at a place called Malmedy:
Malmedy massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Malmedy massacre refers to a war crime in which about 90 unarmed American prisoners of war were executed by their German captors. The massacre was committed on December 17, 1944 by
Kampfgruppe Peiper (part of the 1st SS Panzer Division)
In my opinion, these SS troops deserved nothing more than immediate execution...on the spot...for their crime, & I think the same can be said of yesterday's shooter..

Am I proud of my feelings?...No
Do I agree that this type of justice is rarely justified & very dangerous to a society?....Yes
Have I ever exacted "Instant Justice" like we are debating?...No
Would I have shot the bastard.....In a heartbeat! :mad:
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: cabinover On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:25 am

There is hope for you yet. :)
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:07 am

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:Maybe because unlike some people I can think of they take their oath seriously and believe in this persons Constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial?

I know that doesn't mean that much to you Devil but my faith is renewed that these officers could contain their personal feelings and do the job they swore to do.



Boy..have we reversed our usual positions here Jeff! :lol:
(difference is, you have the luxury of looking at this story in theoretical terms & I am now speaking from the gut...not the brain....Theoretically, legally & probably morally...you are of course right & I am reacting strictly emotionally......How's THAT for a switch?

Problem is, I am as serious as a heart attack when I say he should not have gone anywhere but the county morgue. I admit that I'm wrong & you are right....but that's the way I feel....nonetheless


Nothing has switched here but you Devil. Everything I say has it's basis in the Constitution and liberty. I don't want the government doing what it does because it's not Constitutional. And I don't want government agents who swore to uphold the Constitution to proclaim them selves judge, jury, and executioner because even a filthy cop killer has Constitutional rights.

My emotions (of which I have few) have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:13 am

jpete wrote:My emotions (of which I have few) have nothing to do with it.


Is that you Mr. Spock? ;)
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: spc On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:15 am

Devil505 wrote:Would I have shot the bastard.....In a heartbeat!


Yet water boarding is a problem for you even in the 2 scenarios below.

Devil505 wrote:Why would anyone want to read something written by a Fox News guy who likes using torture????

Torture

In a December 5, 2005 in the Weekly Standard,[56] Krauthammer argues that any ban of torture must entail at least two exceptions. He claims that in both the situation of imminent danger (“ticking time bomb scenario”) or if it is believed that torture can procure life-saving information in the case of a high-level terrorist deeply involved in the planning of future attacks.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:22 am

spc wrote:Yet water boarding is a problem for you even in the 2 scenarios below.


Absolutely Stephan.

I never said yesterday's killer should have been tortured.
Killed...Yes.
Tortured...No.

I can justify (in my mind) immediate (rare) exacting of justice & would be willing to face the consequences of my actions.

I could NEVER justify torture for any reason, even if I believed it may be effective...which I don't.(Torture is the ultimate act of cowardice, imo)
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:23 am

I think we should all say a prayer for the slain officers & loved ones & not make a political & personal attack post about this tragedy.
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Re: Trash talking right wing media lies claim 3 police officers

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:27 am

samhill wrote:I think we should all say a prayer for the slain officers & loved ones & not make a political & personal attack post about this tragedy.


I agree about the prayer & no personal attack parts Sam...but I think it's an excellent political topic to discuss in these times of increased violence.
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