Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:16 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:Commander In Chief still M.I.A.

The One must still be nursing the hangover from the pizza party.

Nero fiddles while the World watches.



Your favorite channel, Faux News, is reporting that President Obama ordered and approved the operation.

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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:34 pm

U.S. Navy rescues captain, kills Somali pirates
By Abdi Sheikh and Abdi Guled Abdi Sheikh And Abdi Guled – 22 mins ago

MOGADISHU (Reuters) – The U.S. Navy shot dead three Somali pirates and rescued cargo ship captain Richard Phillips on Sunday from a lifeboat off the coast of Somalia where he was being held captive, ending a five-day standoff.

Phillips' life was in danger when Navy snipers aboard a nearby U.S. destroyer shot his Somali captors, freeing him unharmed and killing three of the four pirates who had held him

after trying to seize his vessel, the Navy said.

The fourth pirate was in custody.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090412/ts_nm/us_somalia_piracy_91
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I guess the 3:00AM emergency phone call did come into the White House .............& was handled pretty well! :up: :clap: :rambo2: :rambo2: :devil:

Any complaints from President Obama haters? (I'm NOT above gloating either!! :P :lol: :lol: )

This couldn't have had a better ending if Tom Clancy himself had written it!!

Hats off to our U.S. Navy....Naval Commanders on the scene...Any Seals involved & a big :up: :clap: to our Commander In Chief!!



Well Done!
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:42 pm

Twice Dev - so while all the naysayers were supposing he was doing nothing, lots of things and plans were being made. Unlike his predecessor, our current Commander in Chief didn't see the need to go flapping his lips on teevee ala "bring 'em on" in order to bring this situation to a conclusion. Nor did he see the need to put on a flight suit and chaps while flying a few miles in a helicopter to wrongly declare some imaginary victory.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/12/official-sea-captain-faced-imminent-danger/
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President Obama twice authorized the military to rescue a U.S. captain held by Somali pirates and whose life appeared to be at risk.

A senior administration official told FOX News that Obama granted the authority on Friday and Saturday to use appropriate force to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast. The Pentagon believed Phillips' life was at risk both times, officials said.


I imagine the crickets will be out in force tonight.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:00 pm

tvb wrote:I imagine the crickets will be out in force tonight.


Israel had its Entebbe Raid:
Operation Entebbe
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Operation Entebbe
Part of Arab-Israeli Conflict
Date 4 July 1976
Location Entebbe Airport, Uganda
Result Mission successful; most hostages rescued
Belligerents

Approximately 100 Commandos, plus air crew and support personnel 8 hijackers
Unknown number of Ugandan soldiers
Casualties and losses
1 commando officer killed
5 commandos wounded 8 hijackers killed
45 Ugandan soldiers killed
11 aircraft destroyed
3 hostages killed during the raid, 1 additional hostage later killed at a nearby hospital
10 hostages wounded

Operation Entebbe, also known as the Jonatan Operation [Hebrew: מבצע יונתן] or Entebbe Raid or Operation Thunderbolt, was a counter-terrorism hostage-rescue mission carried out by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at Entebbe Airport in Uganda on the night of 3 July and early morning of 4 July 1976. In the wake of the hijacking of Air France Flight 139 and the hijackers' threats to kill the hostages if their prisoner release demands were not met, a plan was drawn up to airlift the hostages to safety. These plans took into account the likelihood of armed resistance from Ugandan military troops.

Originally codenamed Operation Thunderball by the IDF (or Operation Thunderbolt in some sources), the operation was retroactively renamed Operation Yonatan in memory of the Sayeret Matkal commander Lieutenant Colonel Yonatan "Yoni" Netanyahu who was killed in action. Three hostages were also killed and five Israeli commandos were wounded. A fourth hostage was killed by Ugandan army officers at a nearby hospital.[1]


British SAS had their Iranian Embassy Siege
Iranian Embassy Siege
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The Iranian Embassy Siege of 1980 was a siege of the Iranian embassy in London after it had been taken over by Arab separatists. The siege was ended when British special forces, the Special Air Service (SAS), stormed the building in Operation Nimrod. The incident brought the SAS to the world's attention as the whole episode was played out in front of the media.[1]


& Now we have this:
U.S. Navy rescues captain, kills Somali pirates





:up: :up: :clap: :clap: :devil:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: KandTrace On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:37 pm

Proud to be an American today!
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:46 pm

tvb wrote:
Black_And_Blue wrote:Commander In Chief still M.I.A.

The One must still be nursing the hangover from the pizza party.

Nero fiddles while the World watches.



Your favorite channel, Faux News, is reporting that President Obama ordered and approved the operation.

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way too long to aprove... forced into it more likley.. no change from our 223 years of fighting garbage like them. no wingnuts pulling the triggers either. real deal true (young) Americans..
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Paulie On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:33 pm

Did anyone really doubt where this was going? I am thrilled that the American merchant marine capt. was saved. As far as
the pirates, they sealed their fate when they decided to be pirates. As far as the white house, nice job. They basically let
the Navy do what they do. No fuss no muss. The FBI put in some expertise on how to sweat the hostage takers. And the best for last.............................................GO NAVY!...................................................
as a tax payer, I have always felt they are worth the money. We are lucky to have them. Anchors Away has always been a catchy tune. Now, as through out our history as a nation, The United States NAVY has proven their worth again and again. It is funny, but
I drive bye the USS Constitution a couple of times a week. The site of " OLD IRON SIDES" always makes me smile. It is not so
much the ship itself, which is pretty cool, but the spirit and history that it represents.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:06 am

Good job done by all.
MMA is down by the canal so hits close to home.
This should put the pirates on notice not to screw with a US flagged ship.
However as others have noted most ships are foreign flagged.
This will not stop the pirates.
This was more like a bank robbery done by drunk fools.
To compare this to Operation Entebbe is like comparing T-ball to The Olympics.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_entebbe.php
Do not get me wrong we did a great job, the bad guys are dead and the good guys are alive.
This needs to be followed up with some serious ass whoopin' of any pirate ship by all nations or a unilateral move on our part.
If they are not fishin' they will be singin' with them!
Others have noted the use of mother ships and how to deal with them.
Let the boys at Otis fly the predators over the area and deal with the problems.
This ship dodged the pirates for five hours!
Something should have dispatched these pirates before they boarded the ship!
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:34 am

Well done all around.

Our President is a poker player; he understands, like Teddy Roosevelt, the value of speaking softly while carrying a big stick. By not advertising his hand, he actually made the job of the SEALS easier. And they did it superbly.

How to deter this going forward? Patrol the Somali coast. Stop vessels in the shipping lanes. Don't gas up the lifeboats! Don't pay these MF'ers a dime; if their only choices are death or life in the slammer, the incentive to do this stuff evaporates.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:42 am

tvb wrote:
Black_And_Blue wrote:Commander In Chief still M.I.A.

The One must still be nursing the hangover from the pizza party.

Nero fiddles while the World watches.



Your favorite channel, Faux News, is reporting that President Obama ordered and approved the operation.

Wingnuts 0

Change and Sanity 1


Stayed tuned for the escalation threats coming from that region and abroad.

As the V.P. stated last Fall, more tests to come.

A strong pimp hand is required.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:27 am

I think we need to get together with all the nations that have hostages in the hands of pirates. Kind of do what the French did last week. Swat team every boat, all at the same time. Overwhelming force. Drop a couple hundred well suited people on each ship, don't stop firing until there are no more hostages and no more ships in pirate hands. Then from now on, each time a ship is pirated, swat team. Once the pirates learn they face no money and certain death this crap will stop.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:59 am

If you define some shipping lanes in the area in order to (a) restrict the area you need to patrol, and (b) place it off limits to shore-based boats, you'll have gone a long way toward solving the problem. Any small boat may only cross the lanes and keep going, if even that is allowed. Anybody hanging around will be sunk.

Boats on business travel in straight lines. Use drones and satellites to monitor the movement of boats in the area; anything not "purposeful" gets targeted for warning/boarding/sinking.

Sink a few of these mofo's before they get to use their guns and the gravy train will be over.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:08 pm

Another US ship attacked, failed to board.

Shocker, carrying humanitarian aid for cargo.

If they don't like our grain then why bother sending it? :idea:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/14/pirate.attack/
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:43 am

I have to agree with you Stokingful. I was wondering why we dont just restrict the shipping lanes also. Who cares what they do as long as it is no where near a ship? At the same time I agree with Freddy, take away the success rate and they will tire quickly. I should not take long and be alot of fun for everyones special forces types. Hell, I would sign up for that gig.

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