Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:43 pm

Anyone here who wouldn't pay BIG $$$$ to be a U.S. Navy Seal right now?!?! :up: :clap: :box: :rambo2: :rambo: :devil:

(personally...I think we should turn the situation over to old, fat, disabled, retired DEA Agents & let us handle it!!) :lol: :lol:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:51 pm

I'd like to see them (pirates) come after a coal barge headed up the Hudson or up the East Coast toward Freddy and crew.

They don't know the ass whoopin' they'd get !!!! :rofl: :funny: :box: :rambo2: :rambo3: :chop:




How about lashing an Apache to the top of the containers or situated on the rear cruise deck ????????? Camoflaged of course ......




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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:55 pm

They are frequently armed with heavy machine guns and RPGs.

Why don't they put a Navy Seal team in a CONEX and troll for the morons with a freighter? If they start dying instead of making millions, they may rethink their employment options.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:15 pm

Don't think that freddie is without connections at Bath Iron Works. They make the best ships in the Navy and there are plenty of guys who must have a little free time to "modify" a stealthy little cruiser that likes to cruise the world.

Devil must have 'blown a circuit breaker'! He actually sounded normal....naw, can't be the same guy...someone must have Hi-Jacked his identity hoping we wouldn't notice.
If they let the Navy and the seals deal with this it would no longer be a problem. Use the reporters for shark bait, cut all the damned news reports, and talk about "global warming" while the 'real men (and women)' take care of business.
Remember several years ago when the seals swam ashore in Somalia with night vision goggles and were blinded by camera lights of the reporters waiting for them....WTF!!! Feed the sharks.....cameras and all!
These fellas aren't just a bunch of rogues, they are dangerous, well armed, sneaky, and quite successful thieves.
It will take some thought and firepower to reign them in, but sure would be a great training exercise: no frickin' lawyers to approve fire strategy, no frickin' politicians to discuss it for ten years, no witnesses, except a few fat sharks.
It may be time to unleash the Binford Rapid Deployment Unit, whereabouts unknown. :mad: :lol: :roll: :rambo3: :whip: :rambo: :rambo2: :flex: :annoyed: :box: :crutch:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:22 pm

Alright....I just heard an expert (on CNN) explain the usual MO of these prirates:

1. They blend in with fishing boats to get close to their target ship
2. They suddenly approach the ship & throw grappling hooks up onto the deck & climb up, onto the ship. (typically with AK47's or RPG's strapped on)
3. Once they're on the ship, it's over.


Still doesn't sound like an insurmountable security problem to me
.

1. These fishing boasts must be close to land.....so large vessels should station armed guards around the ship until beyond normal fishing sites
2. Have local police boats enforce a buffer zone separating the small boats from large ships when close to land. (local fishermen should be ordered to simply yield space to large commercial ships)
3. When ships are beyond local police boat protection (further out to sea) strictly enforce the 1 mile buffer zone between large ships & small craft.

Obviously crewmen must be trained & armed on ALL U.S. flag vessels.

What's the problem???
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:35 pm

whistlenut wrote:Don't think that freddie is without connections at Bath Iron Works. They make the best ships in the Navy and there are plenty of guys who must have a little free time to "modify" a stealthy little cruiser that likes to cruise the world.

We (DEA) spent almost an entire winter up in Bath, ME one year, waiting for a big drug deal that never happened. ( the bad guys were building a "GoFast" boat in a boathouse on the coast of Bath & we figured they would zip out (beyond the 3 mile limit) & meet a freighter with the drugs.....Never happened but we think that's because they knew we were up there)

Anyway,
whistlenut wrote:If they let the Navy and the seals deal with this it would no longer be a problem.

I agree & don't forget these pirates are normally complete dumbbells.....RUTHLESS....but dumb!
These crimes are happening on the high seas, beyond news coverage & the pirates need to be dead. Very simple! ;)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:48 pm

I've never seen or heard anything like those massive machine guns on that ship!!! :up: THAT IS MINT!!!! :punk: :punk: Just the noise alone would make any enemy sh*t themselves!! :box: LOVE IT!! 8-)


I think hell might be getting snow today because this is the first time I've found myself in complete agreement with DEVIL!! :shock: :lol: :P
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:55 pm

SMITTY wrote:I've never seen or heard anything like those massive machine guns on that ship!!! :up: THAT IS MINT!!!! :punk: :punk: Just the noise alone would make any enemy sh*t themselves!! :box: LOVE IT!! 8-)


They will never hear it, it puts out a wall of lead. Sort of like getting hit with a boxcar traveling at about 5,000 feet per second.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:56 pm

SMITTY wrote:I've never seen or heard anything like those massive machine guns on that ship!!! :up: THAT IS MINT!!!! :punk: :punk: Just the noise alone would make any enemy sh*t themselves!! :box: LOVE IT!! 8-)


Those guns are anti-aircraft/anti-missile Gatling guns that send up a wall of steel! ( I forget what they're called)
Nothing so deadly would be needed to defend against a 16" boat with 4 or 5 young punks on it with AK47's & RPGS. I can't think of an easier position to defend then a large ship with relatively high sides.

Edit: Got it...Phalanx close-in defense system


http://www.ask.com/bar?q=naval+gatling+guns&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.military-heat.com%2F49%2Fphalanx-closein-defense-system-aircraft-navy%2F
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:59 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Why don't they put a Navy Seal team in a CONEX and troll for the morons with a freighter? If they start dying instead of making millions, they may rethink their employment options.


I like it! (like a legal "Q" SHIP the Germans used as commerce raiders in both WWI & WWII)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:06 pm

Seems like just the right market for the former Blackwater. A few operators riding along and these attacks would stop rather quickly I'd think. It is complete insanity that a person or a company has no right to protect themselves or their property.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:02 pm

Better idea!

A couple of well trained crewmen with these would turn a boatload of pirates into instant "Chum" for the sharks!


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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:11 pm

jpete wrote:Seems like just the right market for the former Blackwater.


Are you kidding??!..Blackwater ARE THE REAL PIRATES! (seriously.....I'm pretty sure they won't hire anyone without at least one peg leg, a hook for one hand & an eye-patch)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:17 pm

Maine Maritime Acacemy in Castine Maine is the best school in the country for training sailors but they don't train how to defend a ship against 16 ft. boats with 125 horse motors out as far as 100 miles. Let alone bunches of them. I would think there are plenty of trained killers looking for employment. It is the high seas and international law is in the way for our kind of solutions. But if we just take care of business and leave no one to talk it should solve our problems at least. The other countries will have to come to thier own solutions.

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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:17 pm

Devil505 wrote:......would someone please explain to me why it appears to be so difficult for a large ship at sea to successfully prevent a small group of untrained criminals from approaching & boarding their ship while underway?


Liberalism.

Edit : In the modern Progressive sense. Don't get all persnickety and post Wiki definitions and such. You know what I mean.
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