Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:58 pm

I want to see what happens to them after a 10 second blast with the Phalanx ! :lol: :up:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:09 pm

SMITTY wrote:I want to see what happens to them after a 10 second blast with the Phalanx ! :lol: :up:


Just picture the fines that are left in your coal hod when you dump a load of coal out .......but..........instead of a black powder it would be a red & flesh colored powder! :lol: (with a smattering of white ...from bone residue) :sick:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:57 pm

One way to fix this is have a 8-10 man seal team dropped onto every merchant ship in the area when they pass through. Keep their eyes peeled while hidden, wait until they are close and kill them. When the warlords stop getting their guys back instead of $2,000,000 per ship, they will find something else to do. Makes more sense then all the warships they have stirring the water and missing them.

There are a lot of countries with warships in the area, every major power has a presence there. The French have even sent troops into Somalia twice try to get these clowns.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:04 pm

coaledsweat wrote:The French have even sent troops into Somalia twice try to get these clowns.


Yeah...but the French ended up surrendering to a 5 person Girl Scout troop when they threatened to pelt them with cookies! :rimshot:

Oh my God!! :fear: :eek2: ...I've been on this forum too long......I'm beginning to sound like.........One Of You!! :fear: :shock: :eek2: :woot: :bang: :out: :jawdrop:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:11 pm

Devil505 wrote:Thanks Yanche...Fascinating stuff this overhead photography!
My uncle was an aeronautical engineer for Lockheed from the mid 1950's through the early 80's & could never talk about what he did, but I know he was involved with some of the early Top Secret stuff like the KH (Keyhole) spy satellites & the like.
(way to much math for me to truly understand but fascinating, nonetheless!)

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Keyhole+satellites&page=1&qsrc=19&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fscience.howstuffworks.com%2Fquestion529.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
This is the bird my stuff flew on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-9_Hexagon
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:18 am

7:15am....Barbara Starr (CNN) is reporting that evidently the captain jumped into the ocean last night, in an attempt to get free but was recaptured by the pirates who jumped in the water & brought him back to the lifeboat. To bad the Navy wasn't razor sharp to have phalanxed the lifeboat when the captain had jumped out!!
(I don't know how far the U.S. destroyer is from the lifeboat but they should move in to within a few feet!......Why not??)


What I think should be done:
These pirates are not prepared to die. (They evidently cell phoned someone & asked them to pray for them). They want money....not death!...These are not Al Quieda suicide bombers, they are young punks looking for a fast buck!! (If they tried this on the streets of LA, they would be called a street gang....Not pirates. They are young,
probably dumb & can be "out-foxed". We just need to be as ruthless as they are!)
They know they are dead men if anything happens to their hostage so, I would say, we are in the driver's seat & they are powerless. The hostage has proved that he is a courageous man doing his best to end the standoff...so...it's time to start pushing these pirates...hard!
1. Move the U.S. ships in to within a few feet of the lifeboat
2. Keep guns trained on the lifeboat so if the hostage manages to get free again we can immediately begin making CHUM
3. Promise them anything. (tell them that since no one has been hurt, that they will receive
a slap on the wrist if they surrender....bring a judge out there & stage a show trial right there)
4. If we can convince them to surrender,........Yell ..."FINS" & shoot them down like rabid dogs! :mad:

(President Obama should very quietly tell the Captain of the U.S. Navy destroyer that under no circumstances should these pirates be taken alive.....(The Captain can then tell a few officers what their orders are) Make it look like self defense or do anything necessary but they need to be made an example of to any other Somali punks)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:23 am

How about the next time they negotiate for food or water,we simply get close enough to use one of those stun grenades that puts everyone down and out.Then we could sort the keeper from the rest. Poor or not ,there has to be a lesson learned here and they only seem to understand force. Mike
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:34 am

stovepipemike wrote:How about the next time they negotiate for food or water,we simply get close enough to use one of those stun grenades that puts everyone down and out.Then we could sort the keeper from the rest. Poor or not ,there has to be a lesson learned here and they only seem to understand force. Mike


I think all the talking has been via cell phone & we aren't close enough for that. (I was think about the risky possibility of sending a team of Seals (in scuba gear) under the lifeboat & blasting it from underneath with a huge air bubble that would capsize the boat & then the Seals could get in & kill the pirates & rescue the hostage b4 they knew what hit them!)

I guess they'll try to wear them down through negotiations first though. My problem is I'm way to impatient to ever be a good hostage negotiator! :oops:
If you are ever taken hostage & I'm the negotiator..........RUN!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:53 am

I can`t understand why thet weren`t given some type of sedative mixed in with the food to put them into a deep sleep, wouldn`t hurt the captain & they could move in after a few hours. Rescue the captain & dump the others .
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:04 am

samhill wrote:I can`t understand why thet weren`t given some type of sedative mixed in with the food to put them into a deep sleep, wouldn`t hurt the captain & they could move in after a few hours. Rescue the captain & dump the others .


I don't think they have been given food or any fluids at all. (my understanding is that it's a 20 person lifeboat with enough provisions aboard to sustain 20 people for ...something like 10 days??....Anyway, certainly enough to keep 5 people going for quite a while with no need for outside provisions)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:08 am

It sounds like this is on its way to a escalated fiasco. the pirates have back up comming!!

for sure we have the tech and seals to be hanging 3 feet under that little craft as we type...

re-breathers, ect. I bet the boys in the hot seat are chomping to just flash bang and secure our good capt. its sad if our best teams are not allowed to do what they have been trained for.

FBI negotiate?? to pirates?? My prayers are for the capt and his family who are waiting.. ;)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:36 am

Poconoeagle wrote:for sure we have the tech and seals to be hanging 3 feet under that little craft as we type...


Why doesn't a frogman just drill a hole in the boat? I'm sure they will tire of treading water quickly, kind of hard to hang onto a heavy machinegun and tread water at the same time.
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:39 am

Poconoeagle wrote:or sure we have the tech and seals to be hanging 3 feet under that little craft as we type...

re-breathers, ect. I bet the boys in the hot seat are chomping to just flash bang and secure our good capt. its sad if our best teams are not allowed to do what they have been trained for.


I'll bet you are right. If Seals haven't already affixed microphones to the bottom of that lifeboat, I'd want some serious "Seal Meat"for dinner if I was in charge over there! ;)

...Re-breathers don't release any air bubbles so the Seals would be totally undetectable to anyone in that lifeboat. (why not rotate teams of Seals to station themselves under the lifeboat until the situation is resolved? (if they had been there last night..when the hostage jumped overboard & was dragged back by the pirates...the situation would have ended right then & there!

Why aren't I out there & in charge?!?! :lol:(...Is that the telephone ringing???)
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:56 pm

Devil505 wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:or sure we have the tech and seals to be hanging 3 feet under that little craft as we type...

re-breathers, ect. I bet the boys in the hot seat are chomping to just flash bang and secure our good capt. its sad if our best teams are not allowed to do what they have been trained for.


I'll bet you are right. If Seals haven't already affixed microphones to the bottom of that lifeboat, I'd want some serious "Seal Meat"for dinner if I was in charge over there! ;)

...Re-breathers don't release any air bubbles so the Seals would be totally undetectable to anyone in that lifeboat. (why not rotate teams of Seals to station themselves under the lifeboat until the situation is resolved? (if they had been there last night..when the hostage jumped overboard & was dragged back by the pirates...the situation would have ended right then & there!

Why aren't I out there & in charge?!?! :lol:(...Is that the telephone ringing???)


ahhh capt kirk hmmmm :gee: :gee:
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Re: Piracy...Why So Hard To Defend Against?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:35 pm

1:20pm.....Latest update I heard was that the pirates want to be allowed to bring their prisoner ashore & continue negotiations from there...... There is also a pirate "mother ship" in the area, according to CNN.

1. The pirates will never be allowed to make it to shore with their hostage.(we have all the trump cards at sea)
2. Letting them THINK we will allow them ashore may provide the best chance of taking them down & saving the hostage.
(right now, they are in a encapsulated life boat with no way of guaranteeing we could kill them all b4 they kill the hostage)
3. I can't imagine that Navy Seals have not practiced rescuing hostages from just such a scenario, as part of their normal training. (I sure HOPE I'm right!!)

After the hostage situation is resolved, we should approach the Mother ship, order everyone to abondon ship within 30 minutes...No Lifeboats!!...Life jackets only & in the water swimming...& then sink it. Any people who cant swim & dont have a life jacket will be given swimming lessons, free of charge........once they successfully reach our ships & climb up the slippery sides, unassisted! ;)
(as for any remaining survivors, pick them up from the water & turn them over to local authorities......unless we can figure out a way to use them as gunnery targets in the water!) :rambo2: :rambo2:
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