Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: brckwlt On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:40 pm

i agree, if the shoe fits ...
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:51 pm

stockingfull wrote:... so you concede that Dubya was a moron.

See, we're making progress here! :D

If 10X worse than Dubya is progress, give me the stone age. ;)
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:56 pm

gwb is a huge moron crook
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:42 am

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes
all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body,
he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now.
He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.
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Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
" We're no longer a Christian nation"
" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world,"America is mean-
spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)
I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.
And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

When a 95 year old hero of the "the Greatest Generation"
stands up and speaks out like this, I think we owe it
to him to send his words to as many Americans as
we can. Please pass it on.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:25 pm

That's our problem: for too long, we've been taking advice from people who stopped thinking about geopolitics in the 1940's.

That didn't work in Korea. It didn't work in Vietnam.

And it sure as sh!t isn't working in the post-Cold War age.

So, Mr. Estes, with all due respect to your service, both in wartime and since, the world is a much more complicated place than you remember. So I wish you all good health in your retirement, but yours is just one more voice in the debate over how our country should participate in the global community, not deserving of any more or less deference than that of any other thinking person.

And don't you dare call our Commander in Chief "son," you disrespectful old bastard.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:41 pm

stockingfull wrote:That's our problem: for too long, we've been taking advice from people who stopped thinking about geopolitics in the 1940's.

That didn't work in Korea. It didn't work in Vietnam.

And it sure as sh!t isn't working in the post-Cold War age.

So, Mr. Estes, with all due respect to your service, both in wartime and since, the world is a much more complicated place than you remember. So I wish you all good health in your retirement, but yours is just one more voice in the debate over how our country should participate in the global community, not deserving of any more or less deference than that of any other thinking person.

And don't you dare call our Commander in Chief "son," you disrespectful old bastard.


You should be thanking Mr Estes and those who fought with him that you are not a lamp shade or a bar of soap but instead you continue to worship a false idol.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:43 pm

yeah he shouldda called him boy instead maybe? :shock: someone 95 can call him son, as it was a respectfull thing back when there was respect
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:54 pm

Mr. Estes has earned the right to call Obama whatever he damn pleases!

I wish that generation would live forever .... we desperately NEED their guidance.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: brckwlt On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:07 am

WTF obama is pulling us out of iraq, he is a freaking idiot. that will solve all of iraqs problems
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:58 am

SMITTY wrote:Mr. Estes has earned the right to call Obama whatever he damn pleases!

I wish that generation would live forever .... we desperately NEED their guidance.

Couldn't disagree more. WWII required great bravery and heroism, to be sure. But it was a political no-brainer once Pearl Harbor happened. (And there's no analogy to 9/11 because Pearl Harbor was a military attack by a state, not a guerilla attack by some zealots who can't be found ... , er, who we weren't willing to kill when they were found.)

But, to the point, there hasn't been so simple a political choice since then (with the possible exception of the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo). So the John Wayne-esque political-think of WWII is not only literally as old as Mr. Estes, it just doesn't cut it anymore.

We make a terrible error when we think every conflict comes down to the simple choices and heroism of WWII. And we've done that over and over since Mr. Estes wore his uniform. When will we all learn that the world ain't so simple anymore? If the geezers can't comprehend that, they need to find the wisdom to listen more and talk less.

The unfortunate truth is that Afghanistan is a no-win morass. We may long for the simplicity of the old-fashioned answers, but they just aren't there. We're in a country which didn't invade us, wasn't invaded by some other country from which we can heroically liberate it, we're uninvited, and we'll have 100,000 troops looking for about 100 Al Quaeda killers, and killing a bunch of Afghani civilians in the process.

Old Mr. Estes never lived through any of that, so his "guidance" just isn't helpful. And he only underscores that problem by his attempt to be condescending about it.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:06 am

I`ll second that stockingfull, the times have changed even for an old man like myself. We are now in more of a police action where we are considered the intruders most of the Afgans look toward us as wanting to take over their country, they have no formal gov. like most countries the areas are run by tribal leaders you can`t tell friend from foe if there are any friends. At least he is giving an exit time, last chance for Afgan`s to clean up their act & start doing for themselves I believe that if we weren`t there it would be a less violent place in a short period of time. Sure the taliban would most likely take over but its not our problem.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:39 pm

What I was talking about has NOTHING to do with politics.

People of that generation are respectful, honest & know the value of a dollar. They are content with modest homes & cars, without the need for the 5,000 sq ft hip-roof colonial with 2 brand new European cars parked in front of the 4 car garage. They don't find ways to cheat you if you buy something from them. The are always friendly & willing to chat, even the ones that lived through the horrors of war, or the depression. They know how to fix mechanical things without throwing money at the problem. I could go on all day ............

If everyone was from this generation, there would be no market crash or housing crisis.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:00 pm

Your right smitty, you can sum it up in one word "greed" some where along the line people decided they wanted everything right now & didn`t want to work & save for what ever it was. I would never even had thought of asking my father for $120 to go out & buy a pair of gym shoes. I`ve always had to work for everything I have & I`m proud of it & thats another thing that people seem to lack today, pride. But no matter what I`ve done or where I`ve been I make it a point to never talk down to anyone or be disrespective to them theres always two sides to every story & it might seem hard to believe this but I really cet the feeling that the President gets alot more information to base his actions on than what I do.
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PostBy: jpete On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:04 pm

SMITTY wrote:If everyone was from this generation, there would be no market crash or housing crisis.


You are correct on your other points, but not this one. As long as the Federal Reserve and fiat currency exist, we will experience boom and bust cycles.
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Re: Obama bows to Saudi King, WH DEnies it....

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:16 pm

it all started when they came out with self-service gasoline. suddenly then there was fast food. then drive up banking....pagers.....cel phones.......auto parts stores......cvs on every corner ...blah blah blah...


no more need for "the repairman" tv repair, house calls from Dr's... milk man....ice man..ect

not only $$$$$$ greed but TIME i want it RIGHT NOW!!!!... it has ruined relationships, marriges, ethics, trust........


r e s p e c t ...... ;)
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