H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:17 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Congress does have constitutional duties and limits. The intent was to force contemplation of those duties and limits to avoid making unconstitutional law. This should be presented as a procedural rule, not a law.

I agree that, as a procedural rule, it would be a great step forward. Too often congress (or more precisely, the party currently in power) cynically pushes through laws that are plainly unconstitutional, leaving it to the courts to sort things out later.
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Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: JohnMck On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:28 pm

The Constitution is very specific in describing what powers are assigned to the Federal Government. Those being, to provide for the National Defense, and to Regulate Interstate Commerce. This second one, known as the Commerce Clause, is what the left uses to push through Welfare Programs, Lunch programs, Health Care etc. I don't see what providing school lunches to kids, whose parents are too lazy to make them lunch, has to do with Interstate Commerce!!!
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Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:08 pm

This began when FDR ignored the Supreme Court when he passed his New Deal. He eventually "outlived" enough of the judges to pick replacements and get his way. Although I found it very interesting that the gov. took over Smith & Wesson during WW1 and put it under the Springfield Armory. It was a private company and they just completely took it over. I think that set a bad precedence for the coming admin.

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Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:47 am

ErikLaurence wrote:
Richard S. wrote:The Constitution is the law above all other laws, bills need to pass that test.


The Constitution is not law.

The Constitution is a framework under which laws are created.
One of the Questions that are on the test to become a U.S. citizen are; What is the law of the land? Answer, the U.S. constitution. I know this for a fact. I have seen the test taken twice before by my family. :)
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Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:21 am

I would also like to see an amendment to this bill. the amendment should state that in addition to the enumerated powers, the bill should also state where in the Communist Manifesto does this bill qualify. For example; The stimulous package that gave the government the power to target private business I.E. general motors then fire the CEO. or the taking over the banking system or even the govt. takeover of medicine. how about the confiscation of private property that was very prevalent four years ago during the Bush administration. 1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
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Re: H.R. 450: Enumerated Powers Act

PostBy: ErikLaurence On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:43 am

Duengeon master wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:
The Constitution is not law.

The Constitution is a framework under which laws are created.
One of the Questions that are on the test to become a U.S. citizen are; What is the law of the land? Answer, the U.S. constitution. I know this for a fact. I have seen the test taken twice before by my family. :)


Yes and what does "Law of the Land" mean?

Article 6 paragraph 2 we find the supremacy clause which defines it:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.


This is about the relationship between the federal government and the states. Not about laws governing individuals. The Constitution is a limitation on the types of laws that can be created, thus it is a framework for the creation of law and government.

Laws are about limiting the rights of the individual.

The Constitution is about limiting the rights of the government.
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