Captive Pirate

Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:01 pm

jpete wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote: the scared straight mentality does have a positive effect with the youth. it is a fact proven right in the good ole usa. .


You must live in a different "good ol' usa" than I do. The one I live in has a low literacy rate, I high drop out rate, a massive incarceration rate and a gigantic recidivism rate.

Let me know when "scared straight" starts working....


sorry to hear you live in that enviroment.
the scared srtaight mentality AS OPPOSED TO the " just the way it is" mentality was indeed the comparrison i directed my opinion to. A good friend of mine from mannasquan(?) NJ told me the scared straight program turned him around in his young teens. I can vouch for his good parenting and ethical business as a bonded and insured service person. therefore it does happen.
naturally the double working parent household effect of the prior 40 or so years has had the profound effect you speak of.
down under in the land of samolia the effect on a pre teen watching such a execution would plant the seed. personally napalm would work much better say 10 miles inland up and down the whole coast.
we could cycle thru much old ordiance from our system making a CHANGE in thier methodology....
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:14 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:
jpete wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote: the scared straight mentality does have a positive effect with the youth. it is a fact proven right in the good ole usa. .


You must live in a different "good ol' usa" than I do. The one I live in has a low literacy rate, I high drop out rate, a massive incarceration rate and a gigantic recidivism rate.

Let me know when "scared straight" starts working....


sorry to hear you live in that enviroment.
the scared srtaight mentality AS OPPOSED TO the " just the way it is" mentality was indeed the comparrison i directed my opinion to. A good friend of mine from mannasquan(?) NJ told me the scared straight program turned him around in his young teens. I can vouch for his good parenting and ethical business as a bonded and insured service person. therefore it does happen.
naturally the double working parent household effect of the prior 40 or so years has had the profound effect you speak of.
down under in the land of samolia the effect on a pre teen watching such a execution would plant the seed. personally napalm would work much better say 10 miles inland up and down the whole coast.
we could cycle thru much old ordiance from our system making a CHANGE in thier methodology....


While it seems to have worked with your friend, and I can assure you, I got cured of my road rage when I was looking down the wrong end of a gun( :D ) but we're talking about Somalia here. Your friend had a choice. I had a choice. What's the choice for most of Somalia? Somalia isn't the USA. Join the militia or be killed by the militia is about it.

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out looks good on a T-shirt but in actual practice isn't all that effective. How can we claim to be better than Hitler, or Stalin or Pol Pot if we followed your theory? Or do you not care?
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:23 pm

actually it starts every day some ying yang sticks his wee wee in some place to make more .....

the napalm would target the Known (we already have em targeted) sites of the pirates. smoke em

nothing hitler like more like Pershing

if any of those who look to pacify or evolve those bad pirate boys had any family member involved in a incidence as such , i guarentee flame on would be the new mind set.

piracy is a scurge worse than plague.. almost like rap music :)
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:35 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:the napalm would target the Known (we already have em targeted) sites of the pirates. smoke em


My question is, where do you stop? You'd pretty much have to nuke the world if that was your plan. Every bomb you drop creates another enemy. I didn't say roll over and hike up your skirt for a good rectal plundering. That's the fallacy the neo-cons love. The world is black and white. You're either with us or your ag'in' us. It's BS.

Allow the shipping company to defend their property and otherwise leave the Somali's alone. They try to take something that isn't theirs, blast them. Beyond that, they have the same right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness" as you and I have.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:46 pm

actually, you stop after the mission. it is to kill the pirates. period.

they gave up thier right to live by HUNTING down and killing other so as to enable them to demand a ransom.

no over analyzation required. this problem has been growing and getting worse for too long.

just watch what they do now to any hostage even remotely related to America. yep death

this pirate mentality is not new to this century or last or the one before that. do the huns ring a bell??

believe me I sail in unprotected waters and know too well the need to be ready.

the real issue is the cheap ass companies not wanting to spend $$ for the protection a vessell really needs due to the #%#&^$ing lawyers ready to defend those pirate trash...

they dont want!!!
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:52 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:actually, you stop after the mission. it is to kill the pirates. period.

they gave up thier right to live by HUNTING down and killing other so as to enable them to demand a ransom.

no over analyzation required. this problem has been growing and getting worse for too long.

just watch what they do now to any hostage even remotely related to America. yep death

this pirate mentality is not new to this century or last or the one before that. do the huns ring a bell??

believe me I sail in unprotected waters and know too well the need to be ready.

the real issue is the cheap ass companies not wanting to spend $$ for the protection a vessell really needs due to the #%#&^$ing lawyers ready to defend those pirate trash...

they dont want!!!


So you kill 100 or 1000 pirates. There are always more looking to take their place. Does the War on Drugs ring a bell?

They've made the threat to kill hostages of other countries before. So far, they haven't followed through. Dead hostages aren't worth a whole lot. They are in it for the money.

And I don't know with 100% certainty, but I think international law prevents companies from protecting themselves. Seems like a perfect job for Blackwater (Xe) operators to me. I'd think 4 guys making $150k/yr on each boat would be pretty effective.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:55 pm

I agree!

There are many that could put a hurtin on them.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:37 am

Ain't it amazing how the deer know when hunting season opens? And how smart are they?

The kids that are getting sucked into this will quickly find out that they'll either get it in the head or spend the rest of their lives playing drop the soap in the slammer. My guess is they'll decide to stay off the boats.

Juvenile/adult law questions are interesting. On the one hand, if a kid is (stupidly) playing with a gun and kills somebody, there clearly isn't sufficient "intent" to commit a capital offense. On the other, if a kid persistently is committing crimes involving foresight, planning and murder, why shouldn't they pay the price? Actually, though, I think the Supremes decided this recently when they held that the heightened level of intent required for a capital offense simply could not be formed biologically by a human being under 18 years of age. The frontal lobes of their brains just aren't fully developed.

And most of us with 18 y/olds can understand that.... :roll:

Bottom line: no death penalty, but probably no juvenile law either. Lifetime room and board.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:46 am

stockingfull wrote:Juvenile/adult law questions are interesting.


Coming to theater near you soon. I'm sure you are aware of the recent events in my county.


http://www.citizensvoice.com/judges/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:52 am

This is the one where the "private" facilities were paying off the judges to "rather summarily" ship kids off to their, ahem, reform schools?

That's some very nasty *censored*. The judges should get to go visit those kids, I mean, without chaperones....
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:59 am

stockingfull wrote:This is the one where the "private" facilities were paying off the judges to "rather summarily" ship kids off to their, ahem, reform schools?
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Ahh much more than that, by the time it's done I' m betting they have 20 or 30 people in jail. Started new topic here: Luzerne County Corruption
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:12 am

Most of you are much more harsh than I, the poor kid has already been tramatized let him go right now. Maybe even give him a good meal first, then let him off the ship, hell I`d even throw him a six pack in case he got thirsty on his swim home.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:47 am

The kid is going to be staying in The Lincoln Bedroom for a few years; he will be home schooled by Tim Geithner. Supplemental education will include effective tax evasion, teleprompter diction, basketball. First there's going to be another fly- the- chef- in pizza party.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:15 am

mr1precision wrote:They should have shot the little *censored* when they had the chance. We have to make an example out of them. You don't play patty cakes with these savages. The only thing they understand and respect is one thing, POWER. If you F with us, you and your ship will be sunk no matter how old you are. End of story!

I'll agree that for us to expect that he'll understand anything other than what his culture respects (power, death) we're kidding ourselves.
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Re: Captive Pirate

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:18 am

Richard S. wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Juvenile/adult law questions are interesting.


Coming to theater near you soon. I'm sure you are aware of the recent events in my county.


http://www.citizensvoice.com/judges/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Hey..another one of them thar smart, legal types taking things into their own hands.

Power corrupts. It's never been more true.
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