June 15th - a date to watch?

Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: RMA On: Wed May 06, 2009 9:21 pm

Chris Murley wrote:i was just talking to our mine operator last night about that. they give grants out for all sorts of bs things, you would think they would for this. but that would be the govt. helping the small guys and you know that never happens.......


I'll Have to study this a little more...but it seems that the affordability aspect provides a "loophole" for smaller mine operations...

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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: RMA On: Wed May 06, 2009 9:29 pm

Here's the Q & A that sounds like a loophole for the limited operation:

Is the cost of a communication and tracking system or the mine operator’s financial ability to purchase these systems taken into consideration by MSHA?
Yes. MSHA will consider whether the systems are economically feasible on a case-by-case basis.

On surface (no pun), this seems like an exemption could be granted (no pun)... :notsure:


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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Wed May 06, 2009 10:08 pm

RMA wrote:Yes. MSHA will consider whether the systems are economically feasible on a case-by-case basis.
Bob

Each mine owner will have to present their own case, but it looks promising. If all mine owners just use the same lawyer to do it for them, shouldn't cost too much to possibly get a huge return.
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed May 06, 2009 11:47 pm

DVC500_at_last wrote:
RMA wrote:Yes. MSHA will consider whether the systems are economically feasible on a case-by-case basis.
Bob

Each mine owner will have to present their own case, but it looks promising. If all mine owners just use the same lawyer to do it for them, shouldn't cost too much to possibly get a huge return.

Most of the Independent miners use the same lawyer already
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: jrn8265 On: Fri May 29, 2009 8:17 am

Do you think this could put Blaschak or Reading out of business?
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri May 29, 2009 12:27 pm

No.
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: jrn8265 On: Fri May 29, 2009 12:33 pm

How about PA taxes on coal...see that happening any time soon? Thanks
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri May 29, 2009 4:28 pm

coaledsweat wrote:No.

Don't be so sure about that With this Goverment in control anything can happend they are in control.
MSHA is a Goverment controlled agency. If they do not what coal they will make it so tuff for the Anthracite suface mining companies with Rules Regulations and Huge Citation & fines They can Put them all out of business .
Not that I see that Happening yet with Anthracite suface mining Companies.
But It ishappening with the Anthracite Underground Mines .
So it can Happend with the Anthracite Suface mines if they want it to .
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: dtzackus On: Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:15 am

UAE is still at 145 a ton. They have a two ton limit, but they had a 1 ton limit over the winter, and talked to some people who were able to get two ton then. Depending on how you sweet talk the coal nazi lady in the office. ;)
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:15 pm

Just a reminder for those following this thread, Thursdays show on the 4th at 7PM will be covering this subject. Mike who has participated in this thread will be on as guest. If anyone else is interested in being on as guest let me know.
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: mike On: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:57 pm

Well June 15th is here and gone, everybody is still running. There has been some very positive discusion between MSHA and the Independant Miners so everybody keep your fingers crossed if everything goes well they will come to an agrement that both sides will be happy with. Well as happy as can be expected anyway!
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:08 pm

mike wrote:Well June 15th is here and gone, everybody is still running. There has been some very positive discusion between MSHA and the Independant Miners so everybody keep your fingers crossed if everything goes well they will come to an agrement that both sides will be happy with. Well as happy as can be expected anyway!


Keep 'em talking, Mike. Thats the first step. They also like lots of charts, graphs, and reports. It just kinda enforces what your talking about. :D
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:08 pm

mike wrote:Well June 15th is here and gone, everybody is still running. There has been some very positive discusion between MSHA and the Independant Miners so everybody keep your fingers crossed if everything goes well they will come to an agrement that both sides will be happy with. Well as happy as can be expected anyway!

That is because they were granted a extension Two and a half weeks ago like you mentioned in the show on the 4th
MSHA is going to pick one of the Anthracite undeground mines to test the system to see if it even works in a Anthracite mine. Then they will decide if everyone has to use it but even if it does work in one that does not mean it will work in all
of them . This is far from being over it is just the beginning of a long hard fight for the Independed mine Owner's & Operators. The first Tunnel Radio of America was installed in 1988 in Alaska it was the first reliable wireless VHF radio
system used in a underground mine / Bituminous mine . In last 20 years they have installed the Tunnel Radio System
in 20 states and several foreign countries all have been Bituminous mines No Anthracite mines . They Have several

models that are MSHA approved TR-500 UHF & TR-155 VHF UltraComm Communications system to the MSHA approved
MineAx BirdDog tracking and tagging system . In 2007 Tunnel Radio of America . received MSHA approval for there
UltraComm system. This system utilizes Distributed Antenna Networks (DAS) To supply the mine with two-way radio
communication system . They tested in mines both hard rock and coal . The MineAx BirdDog tracking system has
received Both MSHA & West Virginia Safety Approvals . Tunnal Radio become both Miner act 2006 and WV compliant .
Utilizing Ultracomm system with the BirdDog tracking System. The mine will have complete communication and tracking
system . It all sounds good Lets see if it works in a Underground Anthracite mine First. Before MSHA makes the Owner's
and Operators buy them for their mines . The system has been around since 1988 and The miner Act was pasted in 2006 and know one tested in a Anthracite Underground mine yet goes to show what type of People are Running MSHA / Gov.
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: mike On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:44 pm

Just an update

http://www.republicanherald.com/news/local_miners_government-mandated_tracking_systems_put_miners_in_danger
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


This isn't over yet folks!
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Re: June 15th - a date to watch?

PostBy: New Hope Engineer On: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:12 pm

who was the ugly guy in the middle with the goat tee? ;)
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