Minority Report anyone?

Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:58 pm

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30283252

Law enforcement officials say that expanding the DNA databanks to include legally innocent people will help solve more violent crimes.


I really don't like the government collecting DNA at all but certainly not from people you haven't been convicted of anything yet.
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:18 pm

Maybe they will clone us and replace us with them. :)
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:23 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Maybe they will clone us and replace us with them. :)


How do I know they already haven't? How do I know this is the REAL coaledsweat? ;)
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:27 pm

jpete wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30283252

Law enforcement officials say that expanding the DNA databanks to include legally innocent people will help solve more violent crimes.


I really don't like the government collecting DNA at all but certainly not from people you haven't been convicted of anything yet.



I have herd this argument before and am not in favor of this at all.

Just as fingerprinting use to be 100% fool proof we have come to understand that it isn't and many people have been falsely convicted of crimes they didn't commit based solely on fingerprint evidence.

I believe the same with dna evidence. DNA itself might be 100% fool prof. Maybge maybe not we dont know for sure. The problem is that the people who process the dna are human and make mistakes. I dont want to give up my dna just so i could be ruled out of a possible crime. What happens if some scientist makes a mistake and all of a sudden he matches your dna to a crime that you didn't commit. Well looks like your *censored*! Since the jusry will believe that if the scientist says its your dna then it must be.

We need to understand and realize science is 100 percent accurate, neither is dna testing. so to give up your dna willing would be a huge mistake. One i will not make.

If the govt wants your dna to rule you out of a crime, make the get a damn subpoena. its your legal right.
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:49 am

Not anymore it's not. Now they collect it for every newborn. Even their "it's for the children" diversion smacks of eugenics.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c ... 110ZI71nx::

Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007

SEC. 1115. NATIONAL CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR NEWBORN SCREENING.

`(a) In General- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this section, the Secretary, acting through the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and in consultation with the Administrator and State departments of health (or related agencies), shall develop a national contingency plan for newborn screening for use by a State, region, or consortia of States in the event of a public health emergency.

`(b) Contents- The contingency plan developed under subsection (a) shall include a plan for--

`(1) the collection and transport of specimens;

`(2) the shipment of specimens to State newborn screening laboratories;

`(3) the processing of specimens;

`(4) the reporting of screening results to physicians and families;

`(5) the diagnostic confirmation of positive screening results;

`(6) ensuring the availability of treatment and management resources;

`(7) educating families about newborn screening; and

`(8) carrying out other activities determined appropriate by the Secretary.


That last one is where the trouble starts.
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:58 am

President James Madison, - "There have been more instances of abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent enchroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:32 am

jpete wrote:`(8) carrying out other activities determined appropriate by the Secretary.


so one person can do whatever they deem necessary disregarding any laws values or morals?
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Re: Minority Report anyone?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:51 am

brckwlt wrote:
jpete wrote:`(8) carrying out other activities determined appropriate by the Secretary.


so one person can do whatever they deem necessary disregarding any laws values or morals?


Kinda looks like it doesn't it. And when you start reading these laws, you find the phrase "and for other purposes" come up a lot. That type of ambiguity is what makes all kinds of things "legal".
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