problem on initial start up of Coal-Trol

problem on initial start up of Coal-Trol

PostBy: flourite On: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:41 pm

I have tried using my leisure line econo stove with the coal-trol system.

On initial start up in the test mode the module lights for the combustion motor, convection motor and feeder cycle thru green but do not stay on except the convection light. the motors never actually start. The manual light continues to blink red. If I put in auto mode the feed motor light will turn green periodically but the motor does not turn on.

I have plugged each motor in to a seperate AC outlet and they all work fine.

Any suggestions?
flourite
 

PostBy: Matthaus On: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:26 pm

Make sure you have the Bonnet limit and power vent fuses installed properly. The interlock will not allow the control to work without those circuits properly configured (either switches plugged into control or fuses installed).
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite

PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:33 am

Thanks. I did put the fuse in the bonnet fuse location since this was not part of my set up.

they have the slug in the flume limit switch as the manual says this should be installed if using a power vent like my system has. There is a problem with the set up however. The fume switch has two power cords coming from it- one that gets plugged directly into a wall outlet and a second that has a three pronged female end. The stove came with a cord that has the three prong ends (Male) and a three slot female end that plugs into the power plug on the module. This means the two pronged power vent limit plug does not have anything plugged into it. Could this be the problem? No cord came with the system that would plug into this two pronged outlet.

The coal-trol manual indicates that a seperate power cord is plugged dierctly into a 120 volt outlet and the flume switch shown in the manul has only one power cord instead of two.
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PostBy: Matthaus On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:45 am

Yes, the Power vent interlock for the fume switch needs to have the switch in series with the control. In other words you need to remove the cords and rewire the fume so the contacts are connected to a 2 prong plug cord that is connected to the power vent limit connection.

Once you do that you should be on the way to getting warm! You can also call Neil or Paul at Automation Correct, if any further problems, they are great people. Of course I will help you any way I can!

:)
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite

PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:26 am

Thanks I guess. Now my question is: Since I ordered the system as one unit and it was all shipped together why does the fume switch not come wired properly to be used with the Coal-Trol?

Also the Coal-Trol instructions and the Leisure Line instruction manuals conflict on the set up concerning this issue. In addition, I received a DVD which shows the setup of the stoves and the Coal-Trol. It was very helpful for stove assembly and power vent aseembly, however, when it comes to the hook up of the system to the coal-trol there is a lot left out including my problem.

Will Leisure line send me a flume switch that is already wired properly to plug into the Coal-trol box?

:(
flourite
 

PostBy: Matthaus On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:17 am

You definately need to talk with Liesure Line, I guess they are a bit behind on sending out the Coal-trol with the units that were not configured for it.

If it was me I would just go ahead and rewire and let them know about the problem, the two prong cord is only around $5 from Home Depot. After you remove the other cords install the new cord through the case of the switch. Hook up the black wire to one side of the fume switch and the white wire to the other side. Then plug the two prong plug into the power vent limit recepticle on the Coal-trol. If you are not comfortable doing this then I would say Liesure Line owes you a new fume switch properly wired!
:onfire:
The main thing to remember is that you can never plug AC power into the power vent limit or bonnet limit plug ins on the Coal-Trol!

I would definately let Liesure Line know about the problem and see if they can make it up to you by taking some money off or sending free stuff!
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite

PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:30 am

I agree whole heartedly to your suggestions. I can handle the rewiring you suggested it just makes me mad that it was not wired properly considering it came as an all in one package.

I will be on the phone with leisure line today.

One other sceneario on the hook up.

What if I installed the two 10 amp fuses in the bonnet limit and power vent limit fuse holders and plug nothing into the bonnet limit and power vent plugs? I would use the current 3 pronged female plug from the fume switch to plug into the main module power supply thus if the fume switch is triggered it shuts power down to the module and all will still shut down if the tempure is exceeded?

Also, I do not like the fact that the power vent will shut down in this scenario. If a fuse blows in the module or something else unrelated to the power venter and I still have heat and gas inside the stove I would rather have the power vent remain on.

Would it be better to have the power vent reostat plugged directly into a wall outlet?

I find it highly unlikely that the power would be blocked and if for some reason the power vent does fail once the temperature goes above 200 the fume switch will trigger the power to go in the module and thus the feed, convection and condution motors will shut down anyway.

From what I can tell the Coal-trol thermostat does not send any commands to the power vent anyway ie. the power vent speed is set manually with the reostat correct?

What am I missing here?
flourite
 

PostBy: Matthaus On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:51 am

By not using the Coal-trol as designed for the fume limit you are circumventing the design which is never a good thing.

The other problem with hooking up the fume switch to power the Coal-trol is that you will lose the programming and have to start over on the set up (if the power stays off long enough), though you would have the values for max and min feed so it would be easier.

The Coal-trol does not control the Power vent in any way and I would definately hook it up to a seperate AC outlet. You want the blower to run non stop no matter what. I'm thinking about building my own back up power using a couple deep cycle marine batteries, a battery charger and a 2KW inverter. That way every thing runs till I can get a generator on line or the power comes back on.

Good luck with Liesure Line, I would definately let them know they owe you for the beta testing services! I do know that Jerry (the Liesure Line rep on this forum) seems like a stand up guy and should help you out once he reads this string.
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite

PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:24 pm

Thanks for all your Help!

I think now thanks to you I have what I need to proceed. I will be calling Leisure line to clarify a few things. It appears Leisure line, Valley Stove and Coal-trol are not on the same page with some of these systems and the users manuals actually add to the confusion.

:)
flourite
 

PostBy: pvolcko On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:57 pm

First, please do call Leisure Line. They will be best able to help you get your particular setup going.

Otherwise here's my take on some things:

What if I installed the two 10 amp fuses in the bonnet limit and power vent limit fuse holders and plug nothing into the bonnet limit and power vent plugs? I would use the current 3 pronged female plug from the fume switch to plug into the main module power supply thus if the fume switch is triggered it shuts power down to the module and all will still shut down if the tempure is exceeded?


You can definitely do this. This is how one would wire in a Basic or Basic+ Coal-Trol Digital system into a power vent fume switch, it's just as valid for a Standard/Standard+ or OEM unit.

The other problem with hooking up the fume switch to power the Coal-trol is that you will lose the programming and have to start over on the set up (if the power stays off long enough), though you would have the values for max and min feed so it would be easier.


The unit will remember all of your setup options with the exception of the current time and day. Min, Max, Triburn, HLF, etc. are all remembered no matter how long the power is removed.

The Coal-trol does not control the Power vent in any way and I would definately hook it up to a seperate AC outlet. You want the blower to run non stop no matter what.


Talk to Jerry or your dealer about this point. There are different schools of thought on this. Consider that a power vent pulling air when the rest of the stove is unpowered will still create a negative pressure in the stove (even with a baro damper) and can potentially lead to a hopper fire.
pvolcko
 

PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:49 pm

Thanks for the additional comments.

I did speak with Jerry and he said the Power Vent should be hooked up to its on outlet not to the Coal-trol module.

Jerry stated that I needed to install both fuses into the fuse modules and remove the nonconucting slugs even though power vent is used. This contradicts the Coal-trol manual.

The female power cord on the fume switch is plugged into the three pronged cord that accompanied the unit and then this is plugged into the power plug of the coal-trol module.

I definetly think the docummentation could be a little better on this. I guess one of the problems is there are different coal-trol thermostats and power modules out there plus different flume switches, power vents and of course stoves and it is difficult to keep up the users manuals! with all the changes. Maybe putting the set up options on a web site and recommending the user checks the latest on the web site would help. Just a thought. I thought the video disk I received really helped for the general set up and was an excellent idea!!!!

Having standardized setups with the Leisure line stoves would help. I thought I was getting a standardized set up because I bought all the components through Leisure Line at the same time but it turned out there was some minor tweeking to do.

The good news is the support from Coal-trol and Leisure Line Stoves has been excellent. I would recommend both to friends and family

:) :) :)

Thanks again for all your help!!!!!!
flourite
 

PostBy: pvolcko On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:50 pm

Glad you got things straightened out. We'll consult with Leisure Line to see what we can do to get rid of the inconsistencies. You're right, it is difficult to include every situation in the manual. The problem you ran into is due to the fact that our Coal-Trol Digital manual, particularly for the standard/standard+ or basic/basic+ is written for a general installation and not geared specifically for the LL installation. At the very least we could include an addendum sheet with the LL bundled units to clear up the confusion between the different manuals.

Thanks for the comments and hope you have clear sailing after this. :)
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PostBy: brbrcron On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:37 pm

Well lets hope all goes well with our leisure line pioneer le backvent stoker with coal troal. Do not want to run into your problems. My husband and son are on there way home from the dealer with 3 of them tonight.
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PostBy: flourite On: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:00 pm

you should have no problem altough since the stove is a different model the connections or cords may be slightly different than what I was describing or maybe not.

Anyway I installed the two fuses. Plugged the power vent into an outlet instead of the module and everything seems to be working.
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PostBy: Matthaus On: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:21 am

Thanks for clearing up my post Paul :oops:

I forgot the set up data except time were not lost at power off!
Matthaus
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110 Dual Fuel, natural gas
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Lil' Heater (rental house)
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Buckwheat Anthracite