Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:15 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/nyreg ... imits.html
A federal judge on Tuesday rejected an attempt to overturn the legislation that cleared the way for Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and most other city elected officials to seek a third term this fall.

The measure — which the City Council passed in October and Mr. Bloomberg signed on Nov. 3 — revised a two-term limit that was twice affirmed by referendums in the 1990s. It set off intense anger among many voters, who charged that the mayor had disregarded their will.

In a 64-page opinion, Judge Sifton rejected the claim that the mayor and the Council, in replacing the two-term limit with a three-term maximum, infringed on the rights of voters who had twice affirmed the two-term limit.



That's nice isn't it? The voters vote in term limits and they make legislation overturning them....
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:56 am

More ignorance about the "will of the people."

That's exactly one of the things our Constitution puts judges there to decide: whether a branch of gov't has the power to do something it has done. In this case, the federal District Judge found the City Council did have the authority to amend the term limits law. And there are judges on the Second Circuit Court of Appeals who can review that decision, if the challengers think it's wrong.

If the framers wanted "the people" to decide these things, they could have designed the system that way. And we'd have lynch mobs meting out "justice." Happily, they were smarter than that.
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:20 pm

The weight of referenda are fleeting. In a republic, the legislature does the will of the people. The only "referenda" with weight are original constitutions. Subsequent to that, constitutional change has dual sourcing in the sense that they people can initiate a change through a constitutional convention or through their representatives but, in reality it is more often a republican process.

Those voters need to get their council representatives in NYC to change the term laws at the appropriate level.
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:42 pm

Here's the solution for term limits....don't vote for the guy!! Then the court decision, either way, doesn't matter.
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:48 pm

jpete wrote:Here's the solution for term limits....don't vote for the guy!! Then the court decision, either way, doesn't matter.



Good point, but what if the people don't get the truth from a slanted press? How do they rid themselves of tyranny?
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:01 pm

Excellent point, Mike, and the reason why there were so very many papers in the old days. People had a choice of points of view and, in a real "market" sense, those that survived evidenced a "referendum" of sorts, which continues to this day.

But, even though newspapers are dying today and it's tougher to get radio and TV off the ground, nearly anybody can start a blog.

And, if you build it and it's worth visiting, "they will come."
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:16 pm

stockingfull wrote:Excellent point, Mike, and the reason why there were so very many papers in the old days. People had a choice of points of view and, in a real "market" sense, those that survived evidenced a "referendum" of sorts, which continues to this day.

But, even though newspapers are dying today and it's tougher to get radio and TV off the ground, nearly anybody can start a blog.

And, if you build it and it's worth visiting, "they will come."



Yes, I agree that free opinion lives on in the internet, not the traditional sources. Unfortunately, most people are still shaped by the traditional sources.

The downside of the internet is that it can be hijacked too.
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: brckwlt On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:36 pm

This is a sign of things to come. First on the state level, we have 3 term limit. Next it will be on the presidential level. 3 terms or maybe an unlimited amount. wait and see, im sure obama or congress will try
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Re: Judge rejects suit to reinstate Term Limits in NYC

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:03 pm

Those that have the gold make the rules and don't think it is any other way. Mike
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