Obama sows seeds of demise

Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:24 am

jpete wrote:If by "prosperity" you mean used a policy of inflation to pump up the economy until it blew up like a 20000 pound Bunker Buster then you'd be correct. Otherwise, not so much......



That is how a market works. It goes up then down. havent you noticed. it can only go so high then it falls it can only go so low then it raises.

The market would fix itself without any govt intrusion. It would recover faster with out obamas prokulous package
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:29 am

brckwlt wrote:
jpete wrote:If by "prosperity" you mean used a policy of inflation to pump up the economy until it blew up like a 20000 pound Bunker Buster then you'd be correct. Otherwise, not so much......



That is how a market works. It goes up then down. havent you noticed. it can only go so high then it falls it can only go so low then it raises.

The market would fix itself without any govt intrusion. It would recover faster with out obamas prokulous package

That's how Keynesian economics works. That's not the only alternative. The business cycle is a direct result of an inflationary monetary policy. It doesn't HAVE to be that way.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:43 pm

jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:
jpete wrote:If by "prosperity" you mean used a policy of inflation to pump up the economy until it blew up like a 20000 pound Bunker Buster then you'd be correct. Otherwise, not so much......



That is how a market works. It goes up then down. havent you noticed. it can only go so high then it falls it can only go so low then it raises.

The market would fix itself without any govt intrusion. It would recover faster with out obamas prokulous package

That's how Keynesian economics works. That's not the only alternative. The business cycle is a direct result of an inflationary monetary policy. It doesn't HAVE to be that way.


then if it doesnt have to be that way how could it be. Like a socialist economy? please explain.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:03 pm

brckwlt wrote:yeah wwII got us out of the great depression, nothing fdr did. all he did was create big govt.


The solution was government spending. In FDR's case it happened to be a war forced on us. In Obama's case it will be for jobs, infrastructure, repairs & whatever. What's the difference? Spending is Spending! (you don't tax cut your way out of adepression...You spend)

brckwlt wrote:A democratic congress is to blame for the housing conditions

To a degree, I would agree that both sides of the aisle desrve some blame. I think however, the lion's share of the blame was caused by the removal of effective Checks & Balances & Oversight. The foxes were allowed to run the hen house.

brckwlt wrote:not impossible, it wont happen over night but we could do more to stop illegals from entering the country, but why would we when we all know that illegals vote democrat. so they have no reason to stop illegals

No, it's impossible alright. No wall in history was ever really effective at keeping people out. What needs to be done is to end the incentive for them trying to sneak in.

brckwlt wrote:Obama is doing nothing to bring back good morals and values, he driving them farther into the toilet

You won't even admit that ending our use of torture was morally right & improved our moral standing in the world? (meaning we have less people hating us now)
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:08 pm

I'm typing with my thumbs on my cell phone right now. I'll have to wait until tonight to be able to fully answer the question. It starts with sound money and includes a government that is roughly 90% of it's current size. If you care, poke around at http://www.mises.org
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:21 pm

Jeddbird wrote:The solution was government spending. In FDR's case it happened to be a war forced on us. In Obama's case it will be for jobs, infrastructure, repairs & whatever. What's the difference? Spending is Spending! (you don't tax cut your way out of adepression...You spend)


look we will come out of this recession with or with out govt spending. Its a fact. It would be quicker with out it. Youll see all of the spending the govt is doing will come back to bite us in the ass. How can you spend money you dont have and expect to profit from it. We are going to be crippled from all this spending. i saw the word hyperinflation posted somewhere. and thats exactly what will happen.

Jeddbird wrote:No, it's impossible alright. No wall in history was ever really effective at keeping people out. What needs to be done is to end the incentive for them trying to sneak in.


what about that wall in china, didnt that keep people out. How can we end the incentives when obama govt keeps giving illegals more incentives to come to the states all the time. Free schooling free health care, hell drivers licenses in maryland. the govt wants illegals to come in by the boat loads. DHS wont even shut down the mexican border during the world wide mexican flu pandemic. I mean come on if janet napolitano *censored* retarded.


Jeddbird wrote:You won't even admit that ending our use of torture was morally right & improved our moral standing in the world? (meaning we have less people hating us now)


No it wasnt the right thing to do, tell our muslim enemies and terrorist that hey if you kill a bunch of americans guess what ... we wont torture you instead we will make sure you get a good lawyer and a fair trail. They are giving terrorist a green light to kill innocent americans and dont seem to care one bit. Torture itself might not be right. but sometimes you do what needs to be done to protect the country. I would pray if obama was in a similar situation that ment life or death for thousdands of american that he would ok torture to save the american peoples lives.

on a lighter note, torture works for jack bauer every week on 24.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: cabinover On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:36 pm

Jeddbird wrote:
brckwlt wrote:
brckwlt wrote:not impossible, it wont happen over night but we could do more to stop illegals from entering the country, but why would we when we all know that illegals vote democrat. so they have no reason to stop illegals

No, it's impossible alright. No wall in history was ever really effective at keeping people out. What needs to be done is to end the incentive for them trying to sneak in.

O is working on that part, he's gonna make us a third world country :D

brckwlt wrote:Obama is doing nothing to bring back good morals and values, he driving them farther into the toilet

You won't even admit that ending our use of torture was morally right & improved our moral standing in the world? (meaning we have less people hating us now)


I don't for one minute think that his pandering will have any effect no people's hatred towards us. Mind you I'm not gung-ho on torture but his knob polishing comes through as cowardice to the same people that hate us.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: av8r On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:07 pm

brckwlt wrote:this country needs to have more conservative morals and values.

What tbhis country needs is to return to having ANY kind of morals. They have been sadly lacking for many years now. (but I think Obama is turning that around too....Just the ending of torture is a good start)[/quote]




Morals like lying?

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:08 pm

brckwlt wrote:look we will come out of this recession with or with out govt spending. Its a fact. It would be quicker with out it.


That's not what almost all the economists & both the Obama & Bush administration say & have said. We have been told that without massive government spending, our entire economy could collapse. Very few recommended doing nothing, as you suggest.

brckwlt wrote:what about that wall in china, didnt that keep people out

China's Great Wall was a great disaster for its intened purpose & even Hitlers vaunted Atlantic Wall was easily breached by allied troops in a matter of a few hours. We can argue what incentives mean forever. I would argue that as long as threre's a huge illicit drug market here, we have no hope of stopping illegal border crossing.(& that's just one incentive amlongst others like job, etc)

brckwlt wrote:No it wasnt the right thing to do, tell our muslim enemies and terrorist that hey if you kill a bunch of americans guess what ... we wont torture you

We simply disagree here. Wde managed to rid the world of Nazi's & imperialist Japanese without resorting to Torture.
Killing your enemy is fine....Torturing them is NEVER acceptable (or even legal) for a civilized nation....EVER!
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:14 pm

Jeddbird wrote:That's not what almost all the economists & both the Obama & Bush administration say & have said. We have been told that without massive government spending, our entire economy could collapse. Very few recommended doing nothing, as you suggest.


Thats what they tell us so they can take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects. If spending more money is so great for everyone how come reagan did so well spending less and cutting taxes ...

Jeddbird wrote:We simply disagree here. Wde managed to rid the world of Nazi's & imperialist Japanese without resorting to Torture.
Killing your enemy is fine....Torturing them is NEVER acceptable (or even legal) for a civilized nation....EVER!


Yeah i think we dropped a big bomb on the japs. and thats what should be done to most of the middle east

so is it allright when your at war to shoot someone and not kill them instantly having them lay their in agony for hours or even days till they die a horrible tragic death. I think that sounds like torture as well.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:27 pm

brckwlt wrote:Thats what they tell us so they can take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects. If spending more money is so great for everyone how come reagan did so well spending less and cutting taxes ...

So both the Republicns & Democrats have been colluding to "take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects."?


brckwlt wrote:Yeah i think we dropped a big bomb on the japs. and thats what should be done to most of the middle east

so is it allright when your at war to shoot someone and not kill them instantly having them lay their in agony for hours or even days till they die a horrible tragic death. I think that sounds like torture as well.


If your point is that war is unpleasnt & bad for one's health, you'll get no argument from me.
There's a huge difference between killing an enemy who presents a threat to you & torturing one who is hooded, shackled & no longer poses a threat. That's the basis of all laws of land warfare.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:21 pm

Jeddbird wrote:So both the Republicns & Democrats have been colluding to "take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects."?


I would go as far as saying yes. they both want our money. But its been the dems voting for the big spending not the repubs
Jeddbird wrote:If your point is that war is unpleasnt & bad for one's health, you'll get no argument from me.
There's a huge difference between killing an enemy who presents a threat to you & torturing one who is hooded, shackled & no longer poses a threat. That's the basis of all laws of land warfare.


but i would consider it torture if you shoot someone and let lie in the battlefeild to die a lonely death a few days later. and who says when we torture terrorist that we but a bag over their head. I think the middle easterners do that, not us.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:09 pm

brckwlt wrote:
Jeddbird wrote:So both the Republicns & Democrats have been colluding to "take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects."?


I would go as far as saying yes. they both want our money. But its been the dems voting for the big spending not the repubs.


Don't look now but GWB expanded Medicare, the Department of Education and created a whole new department of Homeland Security.

Sometimes, short answers are better. You should have stopped at "Yes". ;) :D
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:23 pm

jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:
Jeddbird wrote:So both the Republicns & Democrats have been colluding to "take more of our money so they can have all of their little pet projects."?


I would go as far as saying yes. they both want our money. But its been the dems voting for the big spending not the repubs.


Don't look now but GWB expanded Medicare, the Department of Education and created a whole new department of Homeland Security.

Sometimes, short answers are better. You should have stopped at "Yes". ;) :D


GWB isnt exactly a fiscal conservative, im not saying he was the messiah, we have him now. Id rather have GWB for 100 years compared to obamas first 100 days.
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Re: Obama sows seeds of demise

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:30 pm

brckwlt wrote:GWB isnt exactly a fiscal conservative, im not saying he was the messiah, we have him now. Id rather have GWB for 100 years compared to obamas first 100 days.


You're ALMOST there. :D

Just let go of the idea that one party is SLIGHTLY better than the other and you'll be a lot happier. :)
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