PATRIOT Act in action

PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: jpete On: Sat May 02, 2009 2:17 pm

Let the waterboarding begin!

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

Because a federal judge issued a gag order in the case, the U.S. attorney in Indiana cannot comment on the case, nor can the FBI. The North Carolina Highway Patrol did confirm that officers assisted with the FBI operation at the Lundeby home on March 5.


Better hope you don't get locked up. Even US citizens, and 16 year old boys can get "disappeared"/
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: jpd989 On: Sat May 02, 2009 4:22 pm

It seems to me that this law was passed in the heat of the moment after 9/11. What do we as American citizens have to do to get this law working properly? I dont believe that the government needs to have free will to do whatever they feel like.
JPD
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat May 02, 2009 4:24 pm

The article doesn't mention specifically what part of the Patriot Act is being questioned here. As I see it someone made bomb threats over a phone. Those phone calls were traced back to a specific IP, they probably subpoenaed the records from the phone provider which provided the IP for those phone calls. Then it's simply a matter of determining who was utilizing the IP during that time frame which can be obtained from the ISP. These are all actions I would expect to happen even before the Patriot Act, Yes?


Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not.


The only way that is possible that I'm aware of is they went through a wireless router, happens quite frequently as many people never secure them. Anyone can connect if they are within range of it.
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: jpete On: Sat May 02, 2009 6:35 pm

It's the keeping him out of contact that is the issue.
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat May 02, 2009 6:43 pm

Well you never get the whole story.... the article states the mother has "had little access" so she has been in contact with him. I got news for her, when your kid is jail that's the way it is. She may have legitimate complaint but without knowing the whole story and only having one side of that is impossible to determine. Sounds to me like someone is upset little Johnny got in trouble and is now trying to make the authorities look bad.

Personal responsibility. It's sorely lacking in modern society. If that were me i jail I'd want to stay there as I'd rather have to face them than my Dad. ;)
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: jpete On: Sat May 02, 2009 7:08 pm

Richard S. wrote:Well you never get the whole story.... the article states the mother has "had little access" so she has been in contact with him. I got news for her, when your kid is jail that's the way it is. She may have legitimate complaint but without knowing the whole story and only having one side of that is impossible to determine. Sounds to me like someone is upset little Johnny got in trouble and is now trying to make the authorities look bad.

Personal responsibility. It's sorely lacking in modern society. If that were me i jail I'd want to stay there as I'd rather have to face them than my Dad. ;)


Yeah, I'm not usually one to side with a mother claiming "My little Billy would never do something like that" but the judge putting a gag order on things makes me shift my eye a bit. Why is there a need for that?
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Re: PATRIOT Act in action

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat May 02, 2009 7:56 pm

Seems pretty unusual that the kid would be taken so far away, and denied due process like that.

I rented a house up the street for three years, and came home one night to find the place ransacked. The cops sent an officer and a sleazy nasty detective. I was upset at all the damage and looking for help. Well, the rotten detective started interrogating ME, saying, "Who are your enemies? Whose wife are you sleeping with? Etc." The regular officer just stood there and said, "It looks like kids did this."
I was more traumatized by the stupid detective than the break-in.
The next day I came home and a couple of suburban housewives were standing in the driveway, looking all fretful. It turned out that three "burglars" pulled this caper-- little five year old kids. I don't know how the parents found out, but apparently one of the hoods caved under pressure and sang like a canary.
The people lived in a mansion just across a field and as it turned out they were the wealthy owners of a major stuffed animal company. The father cut me a decent check to cover the damages to my meager possessions.

So some authorities are total bastards and some are just people doing their job!
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