Porch Fire!

Porch Fire!

PostBy: mr1precision On: Mon. May. 25, 2009 10:09 pm

I just got home from the in laws this memorial day and we were going to stop to see how our new neighbors were doing on thier house. It was kind of late so the wife says no not enough time the kids have school tomorrow. Our new neighbors were supposed to finish their floors this weekend. Lots of sanding and then a rub down with tongue oil. He put the sanding dust and the oily rags in the trash bag and left them on the porch. As we drove by the house I saw some smoke coming from the side of the house. It seemed kind of heavy to me but my wife said oh there probably cooking supper or something. I said it seemed like a lot of smoke for that, lets just check to make sure. Thank god we did! There were flames hitting the ceiling on the porch coming from the trash bag and the siding was already on fire. I jumped out of my truck so fast I don't think my feet hit the ground before I was on the porch. I grabbed the only corner of the bag that wasn't on fire and threw it onto the driveway. I couldnt find a garden hose so I kicked, stomped and swatted any fire that was left on the porch that was still burning at that point. Holy crap, was that close. Another 30 seconds or so and I don't think I could have stopped it. The fire dept came and checked everything out and found another bag that was about to go up that was in the dumpster with their heat detector. Thank god we turned around when we did. I'm not sure I would have given the trash bags much thought either but it was a lesson learned for me thats for sure.
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon. May. 25, 2009 10:13 pm

HOLY CRAPPER!! :eek2: :fear:

NICE WORK though! :up: Your a good neighbor -- a rarity these days. Especially in this state!
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: 009to090 On: Mon. May. 25, 2009 10:19 pm

Wow! It makes you wonder What exactly was in the bags that made them Spontaniously combust! :shock: Good catch! Your a good neighbor! Someone owes you a :cheers:
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: RMA On: Mon. May. 25, 2009 10:56 pm

There are plenty of warnings that OILY RAGS should never be left in a pile or stored indoors.
These rags pose the least hazard when they are spread and hung like laundry (outside)...

Typical OIL is not the most dangerous...BUT OIL FINISHES like linseed oil and TUNG OIL have driers in them that accelerate the drying process which also creates heat (it's a chemical curing process) When the OILY rags are piled and contained in a bag, the retained heat hastens the curing, the quicker cure causes more heat, which hastens the cure and causes more heat UNTIL IT STARTS TO SMOLDER THEN BURN...

Many years ago when oil paint was prevalent some pros would burn their rags each day, and sleep well at night.


Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: rockwood On: Mon. May. 25, 2009 11:25 pm

Was this neighbor home? :shock:
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue. May. 26, 2009 6:11 am

Double WOW! You did well! I'm glad no one was hurt. Geepers creepers, that was a close call.

I always lay oily rags one by one and don't put them in the trash until trash day. I usually just hang them over the edge of the trash can. I didn't realize though that they could get hot so fast, or that finishes were more susceptible than motor oil. Perhaps we all learned something today.
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue. May. 26, 2009 7:54 am

What is the color of their floors? Burnt Sienna? Good for you, and I better be more careful myself. I apply minwax wood finish a lot with woodworking projects, and I can get a little careless with the stain soaked rags. I never confine them, always leave them loose, but better safe than sorry. I've had marine epoxy start to smoke from its own heat when I left it in a plastic cup too long too.

Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue. May. 26, 2009 8:35 am

DVC500 at last wrote:Wow! It makes you wonder What exactly was in the bags that made them Spontaniously combust! :shock: Good catch! Your a good neighbor! Someone owes you a :cheers:

Just the wood sanding dust and rags with tung oil on them inside of a dark plastic trash bag. The fire chief said that earlier in the day the sun kept the bags nice and toasty to help get things going.

Nobody was home, just an exited dog and cat. His wife was a couple of houses down the street and noticed the shiny lights going to her house, THEN she came home. Boy was she upset! They've been working on this house for six months non-stop. It would have been a real kick in the pants to loose it now.
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue. May. 26, 2009 8:38 am

Was doing a concrete floor with two part epoxy.
The directions said only to mix one quart at a time...
Had 20 gallons to do and it was getting late...
Got to the last 5 gallon bucket and figured I had the process down well enough to mix and float the last can quickly...
That last bucket...
Due to the extra volume of epoxy it heated up and hardenened in the bucket in less than a minute!
I had a very expensive doorstop!
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Re: Porch Fire!

PostBy: WNY On: Wed. May. 27, 2009 7:36 am

my buddy lost his garage this way, put the stained rags from the deck in a pile in the garage, and it self combusted..... :(
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