OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:00 pm

statements are always interpreted differently. even when they are clear cut.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:52 am

Jeddbird wrote:Let's All Tell The XXXXXXX Truth!
By: Devil505 On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:36 pm
“It's Richard's forum & if he wants to allow ONLY far right, Fox News..Rush Limbuagh views to be espoused here …(edit to shorten sentence)…he should permanently BAN both Stockingfull &I ........Immediately”

By: Richard S. On: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:45 pm
Request granted

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. I can’t see how any other interpretation could be made?


I'm sorry, I'm a little confused by the two lines bolded in your post. It is a hard to tell exactly what interpretation you arrived at. Are you saying the Mayor only allows a far right view or that Devil ran out of rope?
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:25 pm

coaledsweat wrote:I'm sorry, I'm a little confused by the two lines bolded in your post. It is a hard to tell exactly what interpretation you arrived at. Are you saying the Mayor only allows a far right view or that Devil ran out of rope?



I think if you read the context in which I made that remark, my meaning is pretty clear. If you take a dispassionate view of all the political posts since Devil505 was banned, you’ll notice one thing: Only one side of these topics is typically represented, & the threads peter out after a very few posts. (When I first started (back in January) the political posts were very lively (to say the least) & could run on to many, many pages of posts, with all sides being heard from. Now, you’ll get a topic started, one or 2 “Dittos” & then nothing) Even Stockingful is a "No Show" lately.

Why is that?

1. All the “moderates to liberals” suddenly became real busy in their private lives??

OR

2. They don’t feel comfortable posting on off topic political threads anymore for fear that their views will bring personal attacks (from other members) or worse, that they may become the new “Lightening Rod” for management??

In my case the answer is #2 above, & I’m obviously not alone in that feeling.
I have to admit to a tinge of trepidation in even going this far, but I think it’s a subject that is obviously lingering in the minds of many other members here too. I have read all the stated reasons but I think the reality simply boils down to the very human emotions of anger & pride on one side & not knowing when to ease up on the other.

Either way, I feel the forum has suffered.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: brckwlt On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:17 pm

jeddbirt, I wish there were more liberal points of view on the forum that would be good but most libs arent smart enough to burn coal so what can you do.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:30 pm

brckwlt wrote:jeddbirt, I wish there were more liberal points of view on the forum that would be good but most libs arent smart enough to burn coal so what can you do.


I catch the humor you are throwing out brckwlt & would admit that, while I disagree with most of your political views, I find you open too & even desirous of healthy debate, for which I applaud you. While I agree that coal burners tend to be an independent & often stubborn group of people, I think our ranks include many from all sides of the political spectrum, with perhaps a preponderance of them with leanings to the "Right". I personally would consider myself a "Middle of the road" kinda guy who leans RIGHT on some things (Death penalty, strong national & personal defense advocate, etc) & LEFT on others.(keeping the government out of our bedrooms, against corporate welfare, in favor of a nationally available/affordable health care plan, favor diplomacy over militarily forced "Nation Building", etc)

Our numbers may be fewer than yours, but we are here....Actively involved in coal subjects (in season) but usually keeping our mouths shut, politically.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:48 pm

He who shall not be named was banned because he stole every thread with Bush bashing. And it was repetetive to the extreme. Debate and discuss things, but don't always fall back to the same lame Bush bashing instead of adding some enlightenment. Most of us that are not kids and have some historical perspective look far further back then Bush 1 or Bush 2. It was tiresome to cover the same lame arguement every time. Yes, it made things exciting, but I dont believe for a minute anyone stopped because they thought they were next. And he asked for by directly challenging the site moderator. Please, enlighten me if you can.

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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: BillMarti On: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:20 pm

Jeddbird,

I was curious why devil disappeared and I took a chance against my better judgment and signed up for Flame Central and read the post. I do not believe that 1 post caused devil to be banned it was cumulative. You accuse the right of being close minded because we don't agree with the left but you are of the same closed mindset as you accuse us of.
I don't remember Richard telling anybody who doesn't agree with his view to keep silent what I did understand is if you chose to be caustic and down right mean you'll get banned.
Devil crossed that line many times and if you really cornered him he would insist going to Flame Central which only would play into his anger and unbridled insults. I like a good heated discussion done with respect and a little humor with a touch of sarcasm and nobody is stopping that. What I'm trying to say is Richard never said to stop the left from posting but to do it with respect and consideration and that includes everybody. The rules do say "No personal attacks" and that's what was stopped. Devil did say to ban him and another person and Richard banned only devil and asked the other person if he wanted it so and the other person is still here. So the debate of Richard being biased and unfair is not true have at it and if you get warned take heed I did and I didn't get all worked up about it after all it is his site and we are visitors in his home. I like a good debate so go ahead and post something debatable but remember be ready to agree to disagree.

Bill S.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:56 am

I said my piece, have personally felt reluctant to express my political views for the reasons I stated & will not continue to hijack this thread.

But when you say this
BillMarti wrote:You accuse the right of being close minded because we don't agree with the left


When have I ever said that? (you claim to abhor personal attacks & then, in the same sentence you make one)
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: BillMarti On: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:42 pm

jeddbird,

It wasn't an attack just a observation. I stated what I see again and again as now you think I attacked you but again you don't copy the whole sentence which is exactly what the problem is. Because we don't see eye to eye that's where debates come from so I stand behind my statement because you proved it's true.

P.S. Sorry for hijacking post

Bill S.
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:21 am

I recall during the campaign trail no one was allowed to question or rather inquire about his religion, place of birth or how he was schooled in Indonesia when there was a travel ban on U.S. citizens at the time.

And lest we forget all the dismissals regarding his given name.....

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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:44 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:I recall during the campaign trail no one was allowed to question or rather inquire about his religion, place of birth or how he was schooled in Indonesia when there was a travel ban on U.S. citizens at the time.
(my bold)

You are joking, right?
There were hourly attacks on all those subjects, first from the Clinton camp & then from the McCain/RNC side. I think a fair observation would be that no other Presidential candidate in history was vetted more rigorously than B. Obama.
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PostBy: KLook On: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:03 am

Your history must be short.

Kevin
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Re: OBAMA & OBAMA MAMA make their HAJJ (Pilgrimage)

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:25 pm

Jeddbird wrote:There were hourly attacks on all those subjects, first from the Clinton camp & then from the McCain/RNC side. I think a fair observation would be that no other Presidential candidate in history was vetted more rigorously than B. Obama.


I hope that is a joke. He wasnt vetted at all by the media. The media adores him.

The only people to bring any thing up were conservative talk show host, and the media wouldnt report on what they found out about obama. Very tragic.
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PostBy: Jeddbird On: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:04 pm

brckwlt wrote:He wasnt vetted at all by the media. The media adores him.


He was vetted by his enemies (at the time) who were looking for anything they could find to have him disqualified as a Presidential candidate. First the savvy Clinton machine worked hard for over a year to come up with anything they could pin on him, & then the RNC had their turn. (If Obama had an overdue library book in 7th grade, we would have all heard about it & how that proved he was unfit to be President.

Nope, between H. Clinton the the RNC Swiftboaters, there wasn't a "Private Eye" unemployed anywhere in this country for the last few years!
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PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:16 pm

Jeddbird wrote:He was vetted by his enemies (at the time) who were looking for anything they could find to have him disqualified as a Presidential candidate. First the savvy Clinton machine worked hard for over a year to come up with anything they could pin on him, & then the RNC had their turn. (If Obama had an overdue library book in 7th grade, we would have all heard about it & how that proved he was unfit to be President.

Nope, between H. Clinton the the RNC Swiftboaters, there wasn't a "Private Eye" unemployed anywhere in this country for the last few years!


The only people who vetted him like i said were talk radio and conservatives and they get no national media coverage. If they did H clinton would of won the democrat primary's. you know that and so do i.
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