Deadly Nuclear? How About Deadly Coal!

Deadly Nuclear? How About Deadly Coal!

PostBy: Gary in Pennsylvania On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:40 am

See the article here:


A BBC Article recently talked about the deaths attributed to the Chernobyl accident.

According to the article, official UN estimates put the death toll due to the initial accident, cancer deaths, etc. at 4000-9000. Greenpeace stated that another recent report put the total number of Chernobyl deaths at 93,000. They say that due to issues with diagnosing diseased caused by the fallout, the real death toll is probably closer to 200,000.

That is a lot, and certainly is a tragedy, but it pales in comparison to something else...something that few people would suspect...U.S. coal-fired power plants.





Hmmmmmm.....Sounds like someone is only giving partial details or facts with a bit of spin! Sounds a little outrageous! :evil:

Either way.....I ain't snuffin' my Harman! 8)
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PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:57 am

Think about it, the average life span in our country gets higher every year. In fact the biggest deadliest threat to soon start lowering our average lifespan is not environmental issues it is FAT. Body FAT. The generation growing up now is likely to be the first generation since records have been kept that will have a shorter lifespan than their parents.

And the cause is OBESITY!!! If you raise fat kids, they will for the most part be fat adults. And obesity kills!!

I constanyly fight a battle with body fat, if I gain 10 pounds, I feel like cr@p, have aches and creaks, and my blood pressure and cholesterol levels rise. If I take off 10 pounds, I feel like I'm ten years younger.

Man I wish I could take off 20 pounds, the weight is there to get rid of, [barely] but I just can't stay hungry for that long of a time without giving in to my sweet tooth or a holiday dinner. Then, I inflate like a balloon.

Yes I was overweight as a kid....

Anyway, about the coal burning, I agree this is just creative 'journalism' Some tree-huggers pushed for the article, probably during a slow news day.

Sorry about the thread subject hijack.

Greg L

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PostBy: Gary in Pennsylvania On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:11 am

LsFarm wrote:Sorry about the thread subject hijack.


Heck - I couldn't agree more. I also don't agree with the "No punishment for kids" sympathists who think we should shower children with kindness when they do wrong instead of grass roots discipline.

Think about it.......for those of you who grew up in the 40's, 50's, & 60's.......If ya did something wrong (real bad) in the neighborhood, and your folks found out.....you weren't all that likely top do it again! Also......If your neighbors caught you doing the bad thing....chances are they'd give ya a lashing and then hand you over to your folks for seconds.
In school? You did as the teacher said. Nowadays.....kids get away with talking BACK to teachers! I have a teacher friend in a local high school that said these days they have to be careful about even raising your voice to the punk student who is disgustingly disrupting the class.
Teachers have no power and neither do parents.......and the peer pressure on kids to do wrong is sooooo much greater today than ever before!
Gary in Pennsylvania
 


PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:48 pm

I may be wrong but I think that Bituminous coal is what this is all about. Hey Coalman am I off track or is Anthracite being lumped in with its dirty brother here?
In Connecticut DEP approves Anthracite, all others are banned.
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PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:26 pm

"So, since the Chernobyl accident, we can attribute something around half a million - 500,000 - deaths to U.S. coal-fired "

this is such a bad article and propaganda that it shouldn't really even deserva a response.

read some stuff on junkscience.com if you would like to know what complete nonsense these types of articles are.
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PostBy: Gary in Pennsylvania On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:32 pm

Berlin wrote:this is such a bad article and propaganda that it shouldn't really even deserva a response.


Yeah....I know.

I figured that it would at least stir up some dialog. :P
Gary in Pennsylvania
 

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:50 pm

Well now you've done it.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:56 pm

Berlin wrote:
this is such a bad article and propaganda that it shouldn't really even deserva a response.


Agree 100%, contributed or exacerbated current health problems I could agree with but saying coal burning was the reason frankly is ridiculous.

As far as the Grandfathered coal plants you can blame that on the EPA regulations. It's an all or nothing rule, if they want to upgrade one thing they have to bring the entire plant up to spec. The utility's simply choose to do nothing because it would cost almost as much as building a new plant or a good portion of it.

There was a 60 minutes article on this a year or two ago. I believe it was a coal fired plant in Florida that powered a small rural community but it may have been fueled by something else. Anyhow they wanted to make a few minor upgrades that would have increased the efficiency and reduced the emissions but due the EPA regulations the required upgrades would have cost more than the plant was worth.... End result is the plant is still probably running just as it was 30 years ago plus it's costing them much more to run it that it should and we all know who pays that bill.

I checked the guys mainpage, he's from around here. I invited him to come explain his article.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:04 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Hey Coalman am I off track or is Anthracite being lumped in with its dirty brother here?.


I really have no idea but I would imagine that is the case.anytime you burn anything there is some emissions so it's certainly not eviromentally friendly.
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PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:36 pm

"As far as the Grandfathered coal plants you can blame that on the EPA regulations. It's an all or nothing rule, if they want to upgrade one thing they have to bring the entire plant up to spec. The utility's simply choose to do nothing because it would cost almost as much as building a new plant or a good portion of "

you have it exactly. and in some states, you don't even want to do any maintinence unless absolutely necessary because the state will sue claiming that you've upgraded the plant, NY for example, where finally the powerplants settled with the state and agreed to a complete overhaul which is one of the reasons for our ever-increasing electricity price, we're paying around $.20/kwh here while my family in missouri is paying less than $.08/kwh because of the more coal-friendly public and polititcians there. NYers can thank our wonderful new governor for our high prices and worse things to come. out of the frying pan, and into the fire with spitzer.
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PostBy: ktm rider On: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:08 pm

LsFarm wrote:


I constanyly fight a battle with body fat, if I gain 10 pounds, I feel like cr@p, have aches and creaks, and my blood pressure and cholesterol levels rise. If I take off 10 pounds, I feel like I'm ten years younger.

Man I wish I could take off 20 pounds, the weight is there to get rid of, [barely]

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yeah, Greg, You are a porker for sure... :o You are joking right? For those that have never met Greg, I can assure you he is not fat...

If you really want to lose weight Greg just get rid of your coal boiler and get an outside wood boiler. That will keep you running back and forth in the nice cold air about every 4 hours cutting, loading and lifting about a cord of wood a week. You should look like an olympic weight lifter in no time .. :lol: Believe me, I know all too well about that nightmare....
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PostBy: Gary in Pennsylvania On: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:20 am

NEPAForum Admin wrote:
I checked the guys main page, he's from around here. I invited him to come explain his article.


Holy crap!!! You're right! Wilkes, huh???
Who'd a thunk it?

When I stumbled upon this page, I was actually Googling for "Faux Coal Stove" or "Decorative Coal Stove" or something like that. It brought me to this webpage, and when I read it I though for sure that I had stumbled on some European tree-hugging Greenpeace radical!

I hope this gentleman is confident enough in his work to come substantiate his statements! He's gonna have to get used to doing that anyway if he continues this sentiment!
Gary in Pennsylvania
 

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:18 am

KTM: no I'm not grossly fat, but I'm a long way from being slim and trim like I'd like to be. I do my best to stay in shape, because like I said above, I feel like Cr&p when I get a bit heavy. Sitting in an airplane for hours on end with all the snacks and coffee I can eat, I really have to control myself.

As for going back to wood?? Not a chance, the coal is so much better!! As we all know.

Been flying all night, gotta get some sleep.

Greg L
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PostBy: davemich On: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:36 am

KTM, I saw Nick I mean Greg a couple of weeks ago tending to his reindeer!!! No beard yet but the rest...spittin' image!!! ;)
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Coal Smoke

PostBy: blueduck On: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:39 pm

Hi Gary, Your artice got me researching the net for coal smoke.
I would like to know if the mice could see through the smoke they were breathing....


Institute of Environmental Health and Engineering, Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Beijing.

In an rural area with a high mortality rate of lung cancer in humans, mice and rats were placed in an environment in which they inhaled coal smoke and wood smoke in indoor air for 15 to 19 months. The incidences of lung cancer in mice in the control group, wood group, and coal group were 17.0% (29/171), 45.8% (81/177), and 89.5% (188/210), respectively: in rats the incidences were 0.9% (1/110), 0 (0/110), and 67.2% (84/125), respectively. In addition, the pollutants in the air were analyzed. The results indicate that coal smoke is a highly significant risk factor for lung cancer in humans in Xuan Wei County of Yun Nan Province in China.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3268 ... t=Abstract
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