THE COST OF GOING GREEN

THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:27 pm

It doesn't look like its going to be cheap.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12073
http://fossil.energy.gov/education/ener ... entary.pdf
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:16 pm

All of these tax tax increases and spending trillions of dollars to fix something that doesnt even exist. This is the biggest hoax on man ever.

My energy rates just went up in PA and MD well over north Carolinas measly 12 percent. And my electric tax rate increases werent even for "global warming." The whole idea here is to make electric and other forms of energy so expensive that we have no choice but to use the less efficient and less cost effective "green" energies.

I am not against these "green" energy ideas im just against being told i have to use them and being forced to by having my rates go up to pay them. This is an outrage and something NEEDS to be done right now. If you can afford to use solar or wind power then by all means go ahead and do it. But i would imagine 95% of us cant and dont want to so stop shoving it down our *censored* throats.

“[W]e estimate that by participating in appropriate energy conservation programs, the average North Carolina residential customer (using 1,000 kWh a month) can save about $5 per month…”


More like they will pay an additional 50-100 dollars a month. Their estimate is *censored*. how can raising someones rates save them money. These *censored* *censored* at duke energy need to fired. *censored* them.
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: DVC500 at last On: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:23 pm

It is time to invest in Wind generaters, Solar Panels, and Swamp Coolers.
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:04 am

Swamp coolers are great....................................if you live in Phoenix. :lol:

They're pretty much useless when the relative humidity goes above 40%. Same reason you don't see the fog of misters trailing off of outdoor patios at our local businesses up here in the northeastern USA. At Hooters in Mesa, they have an outdoor deck that goes around the entire restaurant (on 2nd floor with lovely views of the ASU ladies 8-) ) with those misters ringing the whole perimeter -- makes the 110* air feel like a 75* day up here.


But back on topic, this seems as though Obama has given the green light to everyone to start giving it hard to the middle class. He certainly green-lit the MA state gov't! :mad: 6.25% tax starting in Aug. :sick: On top of 1000 other fees going up. & here's the kicker -- it's a famous democrat ploy to pass the blame onto someone else -- they will now begin taxing telecom. co's. for the property that their poles, etc. are on ( used to be exempt) GUESS WHO PAYS FOR THAT ONE????? And also, satellite service will now be taxed! I HAVE SATELLITE TV! What the f is next???????

Going green is killing the working class. Think about it: your paying more per gallon for CRAP-QUALITY gasoline. They load it up with ethanol in the name of tree-hugger nirvana, at the expense of your mileage, horsepower/torque & your gaskets if you still drive carbureted. Which then drives up the cost of food due to the corn required for ethanol production.

Auto inspections have got to be the worst offenders for killing the working class. You need the damn car to get to your *censored* job that might not be there next week, & now you have to dodge cops your whole commute because the inspection station slaps a GIANT BLACK "R" on your windshield because your exhaust supposedly killed 500 baby seals! Gimme a *censored* break!!!!! :mad: :mad:

At one point, they were failing people that didn't fill their WASHER FLUID RESERVOIRS!!! Welcome to liberal MA!! Where 5 years ago it was illegal to give or receive a tattoo, buy booze on Sunday, or open a store on Sunday................ but 2 men can get married!!! UN -*censored*- BELIEVABLE!!

THE REAL KICKER IS THEIR GONNA START TAXING BOOZE!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M LOOOOOOOOOSING ITTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad3: :mad2: :blowup:
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: Coal Joe On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 am

For all those who voted for Obama and his Obamanation, was he all you wanted him to be?
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:23 am

Smitty...tell us how you really feel. ;) :) My entire life they have found new ways to remove money from my wallet, but they are really getting inventive now. I am trying something this summer....seems to be working so far... I stopped watching the national news. It hasn't changed my life one little bit, but I feel less frustrations.
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:45 am

We're going to need Novocaine for our wallets. :mad:
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:54 am

If you didn`t know these utility hikes were coming you must have had your heads burried in sand. I belong to a electric co-opt so we get to go to meetings every so often & this has been coming for years ever since one of those nasty regulations was set with an expiration date. Blame B.O. all you want but it was coming anyhow. It just strikes me funny how everything becomes the fault of how ever is in office at that time. You Mass guys have a mess up there but heres one for Pa. an Erie judge who was convicted of insurance fraud & only forced to retire once he was found gulity gets to keep his pension even while sitting in jail, I believe its $82,000 a year.
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: DVC500 at last On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:00 am

samhill wrote: an Erie judge who was convicted of insurance fraud & only forced to retire once he was found gulity gets to keep his pension even while sitting in jail, I believe its $82,000 a year.


What in Samhill, is that all about. ;) 8-)
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:10 am

Sorry bout that just a little side note about how our taxes are being spent. Doesn`t really belong here just thought I`d let the Mass. people it wasn`t only their state thats in their wallet.
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: DVC500 at last On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:12 am

samhill wrote:Sorry bout that just a little side note about how our taxes are being spent. Doesn`t really belong here just thought I`d let the Mass. people it wasn`t only their state thats in their wallet.


Nawww, I was just joking with you, and you missed my pun :D :cry2:
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:17 am

Every new program, every new tax is directly related to the repayment of interest charged to you by the Federal Reserve.

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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: DVC500 at last On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:39 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:Every new program, every new tax is directly related to the repayment of interest charged to you by the Federal Reserve.

True. Whats the ratio now... 99.99% of all taxes just pays for the interest on the federal deficit loans?
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: Titus On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:35 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:True. Whats the ratio now... 99.99% of all taxes just pays for the interest on the federal deficit loans?


2008 Federal Tax receipts
$2,524,326,000,000

2008 Interest Expense on Debt Outstanding
$451,154,049,950.63 <------- they track that precisely!!

So, it takes 17.8% of all taxes to pay for the interest.

Sources:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/hist.pdf
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo ... xpense.htm
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Re: THE COST OF GOING GREEN

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:00 pm

samhill wrote: Blame B.O. all you want but it was coming anyhow..


Maybe those particular hikes however it's a comin' with the current Democratic energy bill.

Cap and Trade:$1.3 trillion to $1.9 trillion -2012 and 2019.



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