Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:32 am

That's my prediction, they all might as well have jumped off a bridge with the legislation that was passed yesterday. One Republican commented that only 33% of americans support this bill. Most of them don't even realize what it contains but they are going to find out.

First they take a moment to honor Michael Jackson... Yeah that's correct:



Then pass the single largest tax increase in the history of the US.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:54 am

Groan.......
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:08 am

Honestly, I don't think it works like that. Once the money starts rolling in they'll all be on board with cap and trade. And whether anyone likes it or not, it's here to stay.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:23 am

The only money rolling anywhere will be to the poor and overseas as the manufacturing jobs continue to bleed from this country. It was bad before but they just opened the flood gates. When election time rolls around people are going to be seeing trillions of deficit growing each day, double digit employment, costs of living going through the roof and much more government bureaucracy. This bill was stretch in good economic times, it's unconscionable that they have passed it.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:39 am

I can't name names off the top of my head, but I understand that there are several members of Congress that have already invested in companies that will be dealing in carbon credits. It's the same way with the proponents of ethanol. It's not about "greening" the environment, it's about "greening" their wallet. The government sold the country out. R's and D's are both to blame. They can pretend to be outraged about this and that but how often do we really see a piece of bad legislation overturned when the "opposite" party gets in power? Never. Just more bad legislation to "fix" the problem.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: sterling40man On: Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:53 pm

jpete wrote:I can't name names off the top of my head, but I understand that there are several members of Congress that have already invested in companies that will be dealing in carbon credits. It's the same way with the proponents of ethanol. It's not about "greening" the environment, it's about "greening" their wallet. The government sold the country out. R's and D's are both to blame. They can pretend to be outraged about this and that but how often do we really see a piece of bad legislation overturned when the "opposite" party gets in power? Never. Just more bad legislation to "fix" the problem.



You hit the nail on the head right there!!!
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:02 am

Seems one Democrat is in agreement with me:


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/boe ... 06-27.html

One Democrat was upset that his leaders would needlessly force vulnerable Dems to vote for a bill that will come back to haunt them. Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor (D) voted against the measure that he says will die in the Senate.

"A lot of people walked the plank on a bill that will never become law," Taylor told The Hill after the gavel came down.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:17 am

On the surface, it appears to be a mass political suicide. Unfortunately, it will take years for them to die.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:16 pm

coaledsweat wrote:On the surface, it appears to be a mass political suicide. Unfortunately, it will take years for them to die.


Not a chance. The American public has a very short attention span. No one will feel any repercussions from this. Except the taxpayer.

And in 2010, they'll wonder why they can only afford to eat tuna out of the can with a dirty plastic fork while they pull the lever for the incumbent.
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Paulie On: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Hold back the tears and groans until we here from the senate. The house is one thing, the senate is something else entirely.
IF it gets through the Senate, and that is a HUGE if, it will be gutless. Stay tuned..................
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Re: Democrats Lose Big Time in 2010, 2011, 2012 and Beyond

PostBy: Cap On: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:45 pm

Check it out...Senator Casey will be backing this bill or one like it! ( I wrote him last week. See his response. I'm sure a standard response given to many who write concerning this topic ).

Dear Mr. Cap:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding climate change. I appreciate hearing from all Pennsylvanians about the issues that matter to them most.

The international scientific community concluded human activities that add a large amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, to the atmosphere are a leading cause of climate warming. I believe Congress must take action to reduce and eventually reverse the hazardous effects of climate change, including extreme weather, famine, population displacement and the escalated spread of disease.

The House of Representatives recently considered global warming legislation. H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, introduced on May 15, 2009 by Representative Henry Waxman of California and Representative Ed Markey of Massachusetts, takes a comprehensive approach to reducing greenhouse emissions through a number of proposed programs, such as capping carbon emissions, renewable energy requirements and energy efficiency standards. H.R. 2454 passed the House on June 26, 2009. When this bill comes before the Senate, it is likely that the Senate will divide the contents into two separate pieces of legislation, one focused on global warming policy and one on energy policy.

As the Senate considers global warming legislation, I will continue to advocate strongly for the people and the economy of Pennsylvania. In fact, I have introduced a bill focused on climate policy, S.1134 the Responsible Use of Coal Act, focused on carbon capture and storage technology. I am also working on a program which provides assistance to workers as they train for new clean energy jobs in a transitioning economy. In addition, I introduced a budget amendment for funding to help accelerate research and development of carbon capture and storage technology in the fiscal year 2010 Budget. Throughout the upcoming debate I will continue to fight to ensure that clean coal is included in the national strategy to reduce carbon emissions, and that affordable electricity and assistance to ratepayer programs remain available. It is of great importance to me that American families are not left behind as the country addresses the challenge of global climate change.

As a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, I am also closely monitoring international negotiations leading up to the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen this December. I believe that a global agreement is necessary to alleviate rising energy prices, to transform the world economy, and to protect our national security.

If done properly, our national global warming policy will reverse the global environmental impacts of man-made greenhouse gas emissions while cultivating new clean energy jobs, re-energizing the manufacturing sector in Pennsylvania, and revitalizing the national economy. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind as I continue to work with my colleagues in the Senate to develop climate legislation that will help Pennsylvania’s workers and economy.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.

If you have access to the Internet, I encourage you to visit my web site, http://casey.senate.gov. I invite you to use this online office as a comprehensive resource to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington, request assistance from my office or share with me your thoughts on the issues that matter most to you and to Pennsylvania.


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