National healthcare=USPS

I've heard the USPS vs. UPS comparison from several outlets while arguing for BHO's health plan re: government insurance vs. private insurance.

The next time you hear that, remember this.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/In ... osing.aspx

As the United States Postal Service, weighed down by a crippling multibillion-dollar deficit, shrinks its operations, post offices across the country are on the chopping block. Each year, hundreds of postal operations shutter, but this coming fall could be the single biggest consolidation in Postal Service history.

Now look, I don't know much but I do know why the USPS would be closing a lot of offices if it even does. Seems to me not a lot of us use the post office any more, I don't. I get a lot of junk mail but thats about it. My electric and phone and cable bill all comes in the mail but also in my email so if I wanted I could opt out of the real mail and just get the email version.

Do you know why things don't work any more the way they should or did back in the day. Well it's because every one wants a piece of the pie. A guy used to dig a ditch he got paid from the man he worked for, guy made a cabinet same thing, guy operated on you, well you paid him.

Doesn't work that way now, now you have to pay 500 people for the same guy to operate on you, and yes you still have the same scar. I say yes to a public health plan if it would mean the guy that does the cutting is the guy getting the money. Yep I know I'm dreaming but thats how things change, people dream.

jeromemsn wrote:Now look, I don't know much but I do know why the USPS would be closing a lot of offices if it even does. Seems to me not a lot of us use the post office any more, I don't. I get a lot of junk mail but thats about it. My electric and phone and cable bill all comes in the mail but also in my email so if I wanted I could opt out of the real mail and just get the email version.

Do you know why things don't work any more the way they should or did back in the day. Well it's because every one wants a piece of the pie. A guy used to dig a ditch he got paid from the man he worked for, guy made a cabinet same thing, guy operated on you, well you paid him.

Doesn't work that way now, now you have to pay 500 people for the same guy to operate on you, and yes you still have the same scar. I say yes to a public health plan if it would mean the guy that does the cutting is the guy getting the money. Yep I know I'm dreaming but thats how things change, people dream.

You realize you are contradicting yourself?

National healthcare is the furthest thing from your example of "a guy operated on you, well you paid him". With BHO's plan, you have an operation, the whole rest of the country pays the surgeon for you.

And those "500 people" just became 1000 people because you've got a massive government agency handling all the paperwork.

Tell you what, you go back to sleep and keep dreaming. Let the thinkers make the changes.

National Health Care and the current Clean Energy plan are TAX bills.

With NHC, services will decline due to INCREASED inefficiency through added bureaucracy and medical service professionals disenfranchisement.

Government seeks to consolidate power at every opportunity, in this, one could argue they are efficient.

jpete....Thinkers got us here it's going to be the so called sleepers that get us out.
Black_And_Blue......I don't think it could get any more inefficient.

One thing I do Know I wish a farmers wife would run for President or even a coal miners wife. They are the ones that have to make ends meet with only small amounts of income coming in. I don't see Mc mansions up where the coal miners live. And what a farmer has, has taken generations to develope, and there still in debt up to there ears.

Yep I'll take a sleeper over a thinker anyday, at least with a sleeper the guy can't spend your money since he's asleep. Now a thinker he wants to get all your money so he can spend all your money and leave his in the bank. Thinkers need to spend money too.

To cut a long story short. If your making your living off of sombody else's work get a job and start earning your keep a guy that gets on the phone and makes pitches all day to get people's money for stocks and bonds is not a worker he is a leach trying to make others think they can make a killing off of others sweat. Well look at where them thinkers got us, good going thinkers you got all the money and now all you have to say is, well the market went bust. The market went bust because you over sold a bill of goods that wasn't worth nothing to begin with but the conseption, again conseption it was worth something when it wasn't.

I'm done ranting now

jeromemsn wrote:jpete....Thinkers got us here it's going to be the so called sleepers that get us out.
Black_And_Blue......I don't think it could get any more inefficient.

One thing I do Know I wish a farmers wife would run for President or even a coal miners wife. They are the ones that have to make ends meet with only small amounts of income coming in. I don't see Mc mansions up where the coal miners live. And what a farmer has, has taken generations to develope, and there still in debt up to there ears.

Yep I'll take a sleeper over a thinker anyday, at least with a sleeper the guy can't spend your money since he's asleep. Now a thinker he wants to get all your money so he can spend all your money and leave his in the bank. Thinkers need to spend money too.

To cut a long story short. If your making your living off of sombody else's work get a job and start earning your keep a guy that gets on the phone and makes pitches all day to get people's money for stocks and bonds is not a worker he is a leach trying to make others think they can make a killing off of others sweat. Well look at where them thinkers got us, good going thinkers you got all the money and now all you have to say is, well the market went bust. The market went bust because you over sold a bill of goods that wasn't worth nothing to begin with but the conseption, again conseption it was worth something when it wasn't.

I'm done ranting now

It wasn't the sharks on Wall St. that I blame. Their purpose in life is to make money. Getting pissed at them is like getting mad at a dog for licking itself. It's just what they do. No sense getting mad about it.

But we allegedly have a government to oversee these clowns. Unfortunately, our "elected representatives" are dumb as trees. They are morally bankrupt and would sell their mother for a nickel. For 30 pieces of silver, they sold the whole country. The set the rules and left loopholes that all their friend drove armored cars full of our money through. Since 1929, we had a piece of legislation called the "Glass Steagal Act". Clinton got together with the R's in Congress and repealed it. Then the real fun began.

Ever wonder why they called the 1920's "Roaring"? Because of all the money getting piled into the stock market. The Federal Reserve kept the interest rates low and all that cheap money had to go somewhere. By '29, the party was over.

They called the '90's "Roaring" too. Want to take a guess why? The scam got bigger and better, but the causes and effects were the same. We had the dot com bust, the tech stock bust, and finally the biggest bubble of all. Real estate.

We still have low interest rates and the Fed is still printing money like no tomorrow. If all that cash makes it into the economy, we will see triple digit inflation. The last thing anyone wants to see. So the rats in D.C. create two new places to inflate the bubble. Carbon credits, and national healthcare.

These two things will be the death of this country. No question. And at least half the country "thinks" it's a good idea. You call them "dreamers". I call them idiots who haven't done an iota of research or thinking.

A dog licking itself isn`t hurting anyone but a dog that bites everyone it can does & thats exactly what the sharks on wall st. were doing. They & alot of others share the blame as does Green span who was running the whole thing & when he say it going out of control he got out before he was the one holding the bag.

jpete I don't know what or who you think I blame this mess on, but I blame this whole mess on trying to keep up with the Joneses, so everyone that had to have a new car, truck, or a big frickin house or 3 for showing it off to the neighbors well those are the ones I blame. Want to know how much something is worth well look at the guy's house thats selling it, if he lives in a Mc mansion guess what you paid to much for your item because if it was priced right he would have a home just about the same size and value of yours. Do you see the picture I'm painting it's called a level playing field.

Doctorts make more I understand that but we don't go to doctors everyday we go about every 6 months with a $25 copay.

We should be buying a car about every 10 to 15 yrs (well I'm going on 22 yrs now) but no, people spend 35 grand every 3 yrs and still don't learn. I didn't buy a car to show off I bought it to use and mine has done me well just put 2000 miles on it this last 2 weeks with moving and all.

Rant over.

Well put jerome one of the first places we all have to look for the cause of this mess is the mirror.

jeromemsn wrote:jpete I don't know what or who you think I blame this mess on,

If you don't know who I blame then you aren't paying attention.

CONGRESS

Because happy voters don't upset apple carts, Congress manipulates the system to ensure the most happy voters.

And while you may have resisted the temptations of cheap and easy money, obviously, most people can't. But I don't blame the people. Thanks to the Department of "Education", most of America are functionally illiterate. They couldn't possibly hope to understand complex schemes like credit default swaps or mortgage backed obligations.

All they knew was that someone (a bank or other lending body) was telling them they could have all this stuff. If we lived in a free market world, obviously, no bank would ever cut it's own throat giving loans to people who didn't have a prayer of paying them back.

But we don't live in a free market. We live in a market where Congress constantly has it's thumb on the scale. Where, thanks to the "Community Reinvestment Act", banks would be PUNISHED if they didn't offer bad loans. But it was OK, because of the Federal government, the banks were insured against bad loans. Just run the loan through "Fannie" and "Freddie" and if the loan goes belly up, the government is on the hook, not the bank.

All so GWB and the rest of Congress could run on a platform of "the highest percentage of home ownership in history" and a stock market that was booming.

The idiot voters were happy, who gives a damn about the laws of economics?

And this stuff happens over and over but Congress keeps getting elected over and over because the idiots are too busy cramming Cheetos down that gaping hole in their face while watching "American Dumbass". More votes are cast for some douchebag wearing eyeliner than are cast for any member of Congress or the President.

And that is the reason why nothing will ever change until we are all scrounging in the street for a scrap of stale bread.

And that is the reason why nothing will ever change until we are all scrounging in the street for a scrap of stale bread.

And then we get to start screwing it up all over again.