We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:54 pm

ErikLaurence wrote:The best bet for a 3rd party would be to get a slew of folks who are towards the center in each party to split off and organize. Get Snowe, Hagel, Specter, Collins, Lieberman and a few others together and you've got a core. The gang of 6 could be the start of a 3rd party.



Yes we all know this and we all know the result. A third party forms and it severely weakens one of the existing parties to the point of irrelevance. Then there are two again.

There is no third party.
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:40 pm

IMO term limits would be more effective over the long run than to try a three or more party system. Much of the problem comes from a few having too much influence over the others due to the terms served, & the need to get rid of or highly limit lobyist. Just like now the insurance loby is spending well over a million a day. I personally don`t believe they are doing that to protect their policy holders.
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: mr1precision On: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:47 pm

What if there were no parties and term limits with Americans just trying to do the right things for this country?
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:16 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
I think we can agree that by "two party system" we mean that there are two dominant schools of thought in one society which result, in a free society, as two dominant political parties. I am saying that that is always the case no matter how the political parties are arranged.

There is no true third party.....nor is there ever just one party.


If you believe this, then it's you that is naive, not me.

We have a one party system right now.

Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University professor of Bill Clinton, expressed it best.

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy”


This has been the aim for some time now and they have achieved it I believe.

Bush was a failure and Obama promised "Change". What has been changed? Nothing. A few tweaks maybe here or there. Auto companies get bailouts instead of banks and insurance companies, but where is the radical shift one would expect from alleged diametrically opposed parties?

More inflation, more spending higher deficits. Same wars, same problems.

Where is the change? If we have two parties, shouldn't we be moving in the opposite direction?
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:17 pm

mr1precision wrote:What if there were no parties and term limits with Americans just trying to do the right things for this country?


It's so crazy, it just might work! ;)
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: Rex On: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:39 am

Well the Republicans have lost it for me and I wont even discuss what the Democratic party now has become. I have found the Constitution Party fitting most of what I believe. A party that follows the damn Constitution. And so I have decided their the ones for me. And if they disappoint me, I'll move on...

Call it a 3rd party, 2nd party, I_dont_care. THE SWAMP WILL GET DRAINED

Dont Tread On Me
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:15 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:
ErikLaurence wrote:The best bet for a 3rd party would be to get a slew of folks who are towards the center in each party to split off and organize. Get Snowe, Hagel, Specter, Collins, Lieberman and a few others together and you've got a core. The gang of 6 could be the start of a 3rd party.



Yes we all know this and we all know the result. A third party forms and it severely weakens one of the existing parties to the point of irrelevance. Then there are two again.

There is no third party.


You might want to check most of Europe. Lots of parties over there.

And you remember Iraq right? That place we fought in to "give them democracy"? They have around 1000.

And tell me again how we can give away democracy when all we have is a constitutional representative republic? I never could figure that out.
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:11 am

I agree with term limits. That would solve 100% of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts' problems. Ted Kennedy had an over 4 DECADE career here -- that's just not right.

A good example of the corruption in the state gov't here is the fact that all the libby libs changed a state law that allowed a governor to replace a vacant senate seat when Republican Mitt Romney was governor. Now that they have a fellow libby lib as governor, THEY FELL ALL OVER THEMSELVES TO CHANGE THE LAW BACK WITHOUT AN ELECTION!!! You can't get any more un-democratic or un- American than that!!! How can you love this state, or the Democratic party for that matter, when *censored* like this goes down right in front of your face & you can't do a God damn thing about it?????????

This is just BLATANT CORRUPTION!!! Circumventing an election by the people to further strengthen your own party????????? ISN'T THIS WHY WE FOUGHT FOR INDEPENDENCE??? TO GET AWAY FROM THIS???? :mad: :mad3: :mad2: :bang:

Here is just one of many on that: http://www.wickedlocal.com/swampscott/news/x593043192/House-OKs-appointing-temporary-Senate-replacement-Ehrlich-votes-no

If MA is this bad, just wait & see what happens if this administration gets elected for another 4 years ...
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: Rex On: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:52 am

SMITTY I understand 100% of what your saying and I agree.

Once the 51% of voters have control from the 49% of people then what power does the 49% have to reject them. They don't, and their rights are gone. So corruption like this will take place and the 51% doesn't see it as being"bad"... Allot has to do with how the media covers this stuff. THEY DONT or for better term wont care...

You mention this administration getting elected for a second term. Well just wait for the 3rd and 4th term :shock:
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: jvanke On: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:01 pm

Some of us have just started a third party, the Center Party of the United States, centerparty.us .
Linked from there you can find our detailed platform, and the Congressional seats we hope to challenge in 2010, incl several in Penn.
We have two Congressional candidates so far, one each in Virginia and S.C.
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:42 pm

I'm only voting for candidates in the "Wednesday Hump day Party" there agenda is simple make every day a hump day and everything else will take care of it's self. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:52 am

good idea for 28th ammendment...


"Amendment 28
>
> Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of
> the United States that does not apply equally to the
> Senators and/or Representatives, and Congress shall make no
> law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that
> does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States"
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:34 am

Perfect! :yes:

Ever wonder why they are not going to partake in the lovely healthcare plan that they're ramming up our ***es & down our throats??? :roll:
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: oliver power On: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:32 am

I'm not going to comment one way or the other. I've watched this corruption get worse and worse for many years. No one does anything to fix it. Oh, there's a lot of talk, but it's all B.S.. Now they've undermined the working man, and sold us out. At election time, who would have ever thought the candidates would target the dumbest people in the country. Not for prosperity, but vote counts. They would rather round up 10,000 dead heads, than 10 people with a brain. It's all for personal greed, and has nothing to do with running the country for the people. The young kids today have NOTHING to look forward to. How sad!
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Re: We need "Change" alright, A Third Political Party

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:47 am

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