The Dirty War Against clean Coal

This is a good read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/opini ... .html?_r=1

Don't you just hate it when common sense is ignored...

eelhc wrote:This is a good read...

Kind of an oxymoron in the NYT.

I got 3 paragraphs in & they're already bashing the Bush administration!

Typical. Nothing will ever change at the NYT .... until they close due to lack of readership. They own my local paper & are trying desperately to sell it, ....along with the Boston Globe.

If you thought that was bad, should have seen what was next to it in the print copy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/opini ... an.html?em

And as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn’t help thinking that I was watching a form of treason — treason against the planet.

Today's editorial section wasn't even fit to put under the litter box

Krugman from the second link has zero credibility:

http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/incidents.html
It was, in a way, strange for me to be part of the Reagan Administration. I was then and still am an unabashed defender of the welfare state, which I regard as the most decent social arrangement yet devised.

To fight this recession the Fed needs…soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. [So] Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.

FYI he won a Nobel prize for economics and was an adviser to Enron at one point.

The thing that bothers me the most in reading these articles is that the public isn't being made aware that there are 2 different types of coal, one being cleaner than the other. We anthercite users are going to have the rug pulled out from under us in this debacle. Can't the government EVER call stuff the way it is???

Cyber36 wrote:there are 2 different types of coal

Actually, there are 4 with variations of each.

Who said take away my coal..........Damn them be fightin words! Nobody better lay a hand on my coal! Green this and green that just another way to steal a working mans money for nothing. selling a bill of goods, what a joke. Did you see the new Samuel Adams glass they are selling, says it makes a better tasting beer, what the @#$% come on really now. Everbody knows a mason jar is the best glass ever made for drinking! Anyway leave my coal alone!

Rant over

"The thing that bothers me the most in reading these articles is that the public isn't being made aware that there are 2 different types of coal, one being cleaner than the other"

residential coal use is really inconsequential and in any type of industrial or commercial setting that's not really true at all. this seems to be a common misconception. with the exception of slightly higher hydrocarbon particulates there are virtually no differences (slightly lower sulfur, which is not an issue due to flue gas aftertreatment etc.) guess what? anthracite has higher CO2 emissions than bituminous coal! which means that by pointing out differences you'll only accomplish drawing the enviro-nazi's attention to this little fact that they will be most unhappy with.
it's unfortunate when people want to go "ooh, oooh, look over there; i'm not bad because that guy is a little bit worse!" - stop that and realize that the folks out to restrict coal use in this country don't give a damn about the truth, it's about power. this debate isn't about home coal use, as i mentioned that's inconsequential. the problem is that we hold 1/3 of the world's reserves of this great fuel (mostly bituminous) and fools who make up a ghost story about global warming, acid rain etc. in an attempt to take power, our liberty and our money from us might just get away with it because instead of fighting the stupidity of this evil, we want to point our fingers at someone who drives an suv slightly larger than ours or has their thermostat set just a few degrees higher in the hopes that the green fools will leav us alone and attack them instead. stop trading a little temporary respite from their wrath for your concience and dignity.

Well said!! CO2 is the target of the Enviro Nazis these days. And Anthracite offers no advantage there.

Terry

Berlin wrote:"The thing that bothers me the most in reading these articles is that the public isn't being made aware that there are 2 different types of coal, one being cleaner than the other"

residential coal use is really inconsequential and in any type of industrial or commercial setting that's not really true at all. this seems to be a common misconception. with the exception of slightly higher hydrocarbon particulates there are virtually no differences (slightly lower sulfur, which is not an issue due to flue gas aftertreatment etc.) guess what? anthracite has higher CO2 emissions than bituminous coal! which means that by pointing out differences you'll only accomplish drawing the enviro-nazi's attention to this little fact that they will be most unhappy with.
it's unfortunate when people want to go "ooh, oooh, look over there; i'm not bad because that guy is a little bit worse!" - stop that and realize that the folks out to restrict coal use in this country don't give a damn about the truth, it's about power. this debate isn't about home coal use, as i mentioned that's inconsequential. the problem is that we hold 1/3 of the world's reserves of this great fuel (mostly bituminous) and fools who make up a ghost story about global warming, acid rain etc. in an attempt to take power, our liberty and our money from us might just get away with it because instead of fighting the stupidity of this evil, we want to point our fingers at someone who drives an suv slightly larger than ours or has their thermostat set just a few degrees higher in the hopes that the green fools will leav us alone and attack them instead. stop trading a little temporary respite from their wrath for your concience and dignity.

Berlin and others, if I'm readings things correctly could it be if you add every thing up apples to apples and oranges to oranges, does it all just come to the same conclusion that no matter what we do we cause damage to the enviroment. I mean if we use solar don't we have to burn a ton of something to make the electricity to make the cells and panels. If we use wind do we not have to burn some thing to make electricity to make the turbines. To move the solar cells or the wind turbin did we not burn gas to get it there. Seems like no matter what we do we are still locked in a constant cycle of burning something to get where we are going or to make what we need. I think if people want to go green they should get up and walk south, turn around and walk north, turn around and walk south, hey wait a minute thats what the Indians did way back when. Guess it's time we learned from the first true green people.

I learned at a very young age that you can bend over backwards for treehuggers, & they'll never be happy. Give 'em an inch, & they'll cry 'till they get a mile.

In the 80's, they cried & cried about 2-stroke dirt bikes. Smoke & pollution. When that didn't work, they found a lizard in the desert, decided it was endangered & tried to shut down 90% of off-roading out west. We fought back. Now they've succeeded in getting the 2-stroke engine virtually banned ...... & now our tires hurt the soil, & 4-strokes are too loud. There is no pleasing these whack-jobs. Their like little ants ... annoying as hell & won't go away no matter what you do.

They won't rest until bin-laden is president!

SMITTY wrote:I learned at a very young age that you can bend over backwards for treehuggers, & they'll never be happy. Give 'em an inch, & they'll cry 'till they get a mile.

You got that right. Remember how we all had to start using plastic bags cause the paper bags were destroying the forests? Now they're trying to ban plastic bags because some damn dumb bird got caught in one. Then all playgrounds had to have rubber mulch so that if little Johnny fell of the swing, he'd bounce instead of getting some road rash? Now rubber mulch is "poisoning the plant." We had to have MTBE in our gas so that it would burn clean. That's turned out to be a HUGE problem as it leaks and flows readily through the soil and into the ground water. Now it's the compact fluorescent light bulbs that will mandatory in 2012. (Note: stock up on regular light bulbs while you can) If one of those break in your home you need a hazmat team to clenup the mercury. Imagine what's going to happen as 400 million people start to dispose of these bulbs and they end up in landfills. Mercury contamination of the ground water. These a**holes never stop to consider the unintended consequences. Mess with my coal and they'll be trouble!!!