Taxes to Control Your Habits

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Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:06 am

The government has heavily taxed things that are easy targets like alcohol and cigarettes. It's not so hard to get public opinion to swing in favor of them. I've warned in the past that those supporting such taxes were next on the list and it now appears that is where we are heading. Some people may not realize it but one of the basic principals of the Cap & trade provision in the energy bill is since the energy prices go up you will consume less. In other words it's a penalty for using energy. Not only will it generate revenue but it's intended to help control your energy use habits.

It's not just energy but the food you consume that is also next on the list. We've had the ban of trans-fat which although a worthy cause is really none of the governments business. In California there are already laws in place stipulating how many fast food restaurants can be in some areas and one law that required fresh fruits and vegetables be available in corner stores. Both of these laws were set to deal with issues of inner city problems where they the people living there couldn't get decent food.

One new proposal on the table is a new tax on soda to help fund the new health care policy.

Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care

Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The taxes would pay for only a fraction of the cost to expand health-insurance coverage to all Americans and would face strong opposition from the beverage industry. They also could spark a backlash from consumers who would have to pay several cents more for a soft drink.


So what's next? Red meat? What other foods deemed unhealthy will taxed, Snack Foods? Eggs? Dairy?

Are we all going to be eating tofu in 20 years. :roll:
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:13 pm

Regarding taxes and habits :

Remember all the Libtards who raved about hybrid cars and how it would save the planet etc, etc.? Well, very soon our benevolent masters will impose a tax per mile, which, will negate ANY savings you might have accrued by driving an alternate fueled vehicle.

As with alcohol, cigarettes and other vice taxes, it really doesn't matter to the government what you do, only how much you shall pay. If they drove enough people off booze, cigarettes etc, they would have to institute yet another method of raising revenue to cover the losses.

The general population in 2009 is fairly stupid. A byproduct of the institutionalized educational system. It was designed this way and it will continue until enough people rise up and break the bonds that enslave them.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:17 pm

Just wait until we are victims of ObamaCare. All that stuff will be taken into account when it comes time to decide whether you live or die.

I hope tvb and stockingfull eat organic tofu and do yoga all day. They might just regret getting what they asked for.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: billw On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:33 pm

These politicians haven't seen a transaction they don't want a part of. Sounds like the dam mafia.

One habit those jerks won't be able to tax is my constant calling them no good @#$%$#%&**, basta#$%^s
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:56 pm

billw wrote:These politicians haven't seen a transaction they don't want a part of. Sounds like the dam mafia.

One habit those jerks won't be able to tax is my constant calling them no good @#$%$#%&**, basta#$%^s


They won't tax it, they'll just take away the 1A.

Feel better now? ;) :D
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:08 pm

Can we please have one non partisan topic, thanks. If you guys want to bash Democrats or Republicans go use the other forum. I want to keep the discussions here above the board so to speak.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:33 pm

You're right. Politics has no business in a forum for "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debate"

Like I said, this will be the most underused corner of the internet...:D
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:38 pm

MA has already banned trans-fats out around the Boston area. Alcohol tax is on it's way, as is 25% sales tax hike (among MANY other hikes).

Looks like the fed is adopting the MA "nanny-state" mentality, where nobody is smart enough to think for themselves; '' we must legislate our supreme knowledge TO you, as you are to stupid to think for thy self ".

It will be fun to watch how far this goes before people finally start flipping out.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: ken On: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:03 am

I have one bad vice , smoking. The feds raised the price and now I can't afford to smoke unless I get them form the indians. I was getting them mailed to me and the money taken out of my checking. Then some butthead called "jenkins" , passed some law that the indians had to report all sales to the state you lived in. I get a huge bill from the state for cig taxes not paid. They ended up settling for about 10% of the bill. Now I get them when my buddy goes to NY trucking , I have him pick me up enough for couple months. I smoke maybe half a pack a day. Little more if I'm playing online poker.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: sterling40man On: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:54 am

Richard S. wrote:


Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care

Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The taxes would pay for only a fraction of the cost to expand health-insurance coverage to all Americans and would face strong opposition from the beverage industry. They also could spark a backlash from consumers who would have to pay several cents more for a soft drink.


The state of Maine tried this last year to pay for child health care (Maine Care) and it didn't pass. I voted for it. I think they wanted to tax beer and wine $.03 per bottle and $.01 per bottle for soda. Maine owes millions to almost every hospital in the state. They need to come up with the money somewhere. Why do you think hospital prices keep going up? I because people, like the state of Maine, aren't paying their bills.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: pvolcko On: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:51 pm

ken wrote:I have one bad vice , smoking.

later....
I smoke maybe half a pack a day. Little more if I'm playing online poker.


hehe.... As far as the feds are concerned, online poker is WAY worse than smoking. They ban online poker outright, they just tax smoking and put a warning label on it. Online poker is right up there with terrorism and dealing drugs, according to the state. :)
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:46 am

Well, very soon our benevolent masters will impose a tax per mile, which, will negate ANY savings you might have accrued by driving an alternate fueled vehicle.

MA is going to embed a chip in your/our inspection sticker to track our mileage and tax us/you accordingly!
Patrick is also considering a new system that would charge drivers based on the miles they travel. Those trips would be measured by a chip installed in a vehicle inspection sticker.

http://www.zimbio.com/politics/articles/1418/Massachusetts+May+Tax+Residents+Per+Mile+Driven
Oh and tax the dining out even more too!
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/massachusetts_eyes_inspection.html
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:14 am

I don`t know about people in Mass. I got to agree with the part about you only have yourselves to blame. I thing that I have learned is to never vote for a new tax or to keep an old one. But then again here in Pa. we don`t get to vote on it except indiregtly by voteing the same people in. Here every inspection they check the millage I don`t see why they would need a chip, & Mass. is small so if your driving too much it must be that your going out of state to spend your money. From the sound of it if I lived there I would quit my job (if I still had one )& go on walfare to live the good life. If nothing else younz make living in Pa. sound a little better, if we could only get rid of toll-gate Ed.
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: ken On: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:04 am

I think the reason for the feds banning online poker is because they have no way of taxing it and getting their share. Funny thing is a couple times I have took some money out of some sites , you guessed it , the check comes from Vegas. lol
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Re: Taxes to Control Your Habits

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:07 am

samhill wrote:........If nothing else you make living in Pa. sound a little better, ......


It is better. EVERYWHERE is better. I'm still kicking myself for moving back here in '01 -- I had it good, now I'm stuck. :sick:

People in this state just blindly vote for the guy with a "D" next to his name. Half the time these jerks run un-opposed -- I have to laugh when the paper says " So & So won buy a large margin!"
He was un-opposed!! :roll: They do nothing but pass laws & ordinances in order to squash the blue-collar way of life as much as posssible. Such is life in MA...
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