Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:01 pm

He is a doctor after all. :D


http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20found,ID=090720_3044,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml
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Political philosopher Richard Weaver famously and correctly stated that ideas have consequences. Take for example ideas about rights versus goods. Natural law states that people have rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A good is something you work for and earn. It might be a need, like food, but more “goods” seem to be becoming “rights” in our culture, and this has troubling consequences. It might seem harmless enough to decide that people have a right to things like education, employment, housing or healthcare.


Instead of further removing healthcare from the market, we should return to a true free market in healthcare, one that empowers individuals, not bureaucrats, with control of healthcare dollars. My bill HR 1495 the Comprehensive Healthcare Reform Act provides tax credits and medical savings accounts designed to do just that.


Now, do I want Ted Kennedy telling me how to live my life, or should I be trusted to make those decisions for myself?
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: traderfjp On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:34 am

All I know is that Americans are scared because they are afraid that healthcare with bankrupt this country and take more tax dollars. Currently healthcare costs are crippling this country. We need to bring down costs. Go watch Sicko.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: gaw On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:56 am

jpete wrote:Now, do I want Ted Kennedy telling me how to live my life, or should I be trusted to make those decisions for myself?


NO! Ted is an old man with brain cancer. He is consuming far more precious health care resources than he is worth. It is time to wheel him into a hospice and just give him some pain pills. Lead by example Ted and in the words of the honorable Joe Biden “its time to be a patriot”
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: gaw On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:13 am

traderfjp wrote:Go watch Sicko.


http://reason.com/archives/2007/06/22/m ... es-shticko

As with much of his previous work, Moore's latest film is, by turns, touching, naïve and maddeningly mendacious, a clumsy piece of agitprop that will likely have little lasting effect on the health care debate.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:02 pm

I only have to pay Ins. for my wife(so far) my part is free as part of my pension benifits but in less than 3 years its gone from $125/mo. to $365/mo. & its not a great health plan. Then again it does cover child birth for retirees but has no dental care, figure that one out. In the same time my pension has gone up $0. The co-pays & any other fees involved have gone up as well. The way I see it is if you have a good co. paid ins. your going to be against it & if not you`ll be for it but imo something has to be done. I think Dr. Paul has some good points but over-all is a wacko, I don`t believe hes a active DR. in any event. Most docs the wife & I know are for the change, the ones that are getting all the drug co. perks & ripping off the ins. plans don`t like it much. If you look at the main true reasons the people fighting any change are the ones that have something to lose from it, look at how much campaign money is spread around.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:11 pm

OK Sam, if someone has something to lose, then obviously, someone else has something to gain. Who might that entity be? But lets take this a step at a time. Nearly everyone, myself included, agrees that the current system needs to be changed. My question to you is, where did the current system come from? Answer that and then we can talk about fixing it.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:00 pm

Jeff, I wish I had an answer for you but it started before I can remember & it seemed to work fairly well. Somewhere along the line it began to mutate & change into what we now have. In my area we had blue cross & blue shield, then HMOs & a couple of other Insurance plans came in & started out with lower rates. The new American way, charge less to steal customers away & then start raising prices while lowering service. My present carrier is run by a hospital, the other day discover card sent me a letter that they are becoming a health insurer. I`m waiting for a medicine man to show up at the door. IMO greed drove health care backwards rather than forwards. Have you ever sat in a doctors office for any length of time without a drug rep. stopping by with a bunch of goodies? It all drives up cost, the docs get paid fees for services, they get more for removing a leg than they could for trying to prevent it. Everything is backwards, my previous wife tried to get a hysterecktomy in 99-maybe 98 but couldn`t because the Ins.co. said she was too young, the doc. tried to get it approved but couldn`t. She passed away in 2001 from ovarian cancer so don`t try & tell me that any politician is going to be determaining care, the docs don`t get to do it now.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:22 pm

Sorry for your loss Sam. I'm posting from work on my cell phone so can't do a whole lot of cutting and pasting but in short, our current system was brought in existence by the "HMO Act of 1973." Ted Kennedy, Kaiser Permanente Insurance and Richard Nixon got together and passed this bill. It REQUIRED any company that offered private insurance(your employer) to also offer an "HMO option". At the time, Kaiser was the only company offering HMO's. The business model as we've all come to find out is if you provide LESS care, the company makes MORE profit. As John Erlichmann said "The incentives flow the right way." Initially, HMO's were cheaper so many dropped their individual plans. So now here we are. The answer is Kennedy and Kaiser gave us the current system. Now, look who is behind this new plan. Ted Kennedy. And who is one of the biggest cheerleaders? The Kaiser Family Foundation. Starting to see a pattern here? Who will be administrating the government plan? I haven't heard that yet but I have a suspicion. And from my reading, the House bill will eventually run the private insurers out of business. So who ever administrates the government plan stands to makes a pile of cash. Remember we were mentioning winners and losers? Like another Nixonian character said "Follow the money."
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:13 pm

And as I say "follow the money" this shows up in my e-mail....


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Big-drugmakers-secret-DC-meeting-51487512.html
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In a March interview on CNBC, PhRMA president and CEO Billy Tauzin said that the bill would be good for pharmaceutical companies because it would broaden the industry's customer base with subsidies for insurance.

"This plan talks about providing comprehensive health insurance to people who don't have it," said Tauzin, when asked whether investors should worry about Obama's health care plan. "That means to patients who can't take our medicines because they can't afford it -- $650 billion spent to better insure Americans for the products we make. That ought to be a very optimistic and positive message for everyone who is interested in our sector of the economy."


In addition to the insurance subsidies, some members of PhRMA stand to benefit from another provision in the Senate version of health care reform. It creates a 12-year government-enforced exclusivity period for biologic pharmaceuticals, which is longer than most drugs' effective period of exclusivity.


How are costs going to drop if the government protects Big Pharma?
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:43 am

The OMB will kill this thing.
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Re: Dr. Paul nails Obamacare.

PostBy: plantman On: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:39 am

Meaningful reform will start to happen as soon as MEANING TORT REFORM is put into place to end all of the B.S. lawsuits against hospitals, Doctors, and Drug Companies.
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