joeblack5 wrote: Richard, it is amazing to me how you pick your tiny arguments.
Joe you can categorize them as tiny if you wish, I will call them facts that dispute your arguments.
big coal is subsidized by us the taxpayer.
Coal receives about 1 billion a year in tax breaks, mostly on pollution controls they have installed. In 2013 the renewable energy sector as a whole received about 15 billion and to be fair 8.5 billion of that was part of ARRA, most of this subsidy is for production. This report originally came out for 2010 and again for 2013. Note the date of publication is 2015. It's not a frequent report and it just includes the direct federal subsidies. http://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests/su ... ubsidy.pdf
That doesn't paint the whole picture because what you need to look at is the subsidy per unit of production. Roughly speaking It's about 40 cents per MWh for coal or about 40 cents on the average homeowners bill each month. The federal subsidy for solar per MWh is $25+ or about 6200% more.
The cost of cleanup , health , pollution are not even calculated.
Cleanup what? Firstly they are required by law to reclaim the property they are actively mining.
Secondly every ton of coal that is mined in this country has a fee applied to it that is used to reclaim abandoned mining sites that might have existed long before any of us were even alive. These sites were created long before we had regulations in place requiring mining companies to reclaim land. Note I didn't categorize what type of mine, these would include coal, copper, gold, silver and on down the list.
I love my analogies, in this case it would be like requiring Ford, GM and Chrysler to cleanup the properties of the hundreds of car manufacturers that existed at the turn of the last century and while we are at we'll have them pay for cleaning up abandoned RR and shipyards.
While it's not a great example because of the colossal failure of the EPA it is one that most people would be familiar with. That mitigation project in Colorado at that gold mine was primarily funded by the coal mining industry.
As far as pollution goes the coal industry has decreased air pollutants in the 50 to 95 percent range depending on the pollutant. We have reached the point of diminishing returns long ago.
Las t but not least what is often overlooked is the health benefits of cheap energy. The core block in the foundation of any modern society is energy, that is what separates us from third world countries.
Indeed you are done with the discussion as big coal should be done and will be done in the next 15 years, at least for electricity generation.
Your assertions are now bordering on absurd. The current fleet of coal plants are newer some of which are still under construction. They are in a sense assets to US consumers and can only be scrapped at substantial lost of capital investment and the costs to replace them. In addition to that Trump is now in charge with a friendly Congress controlled by Republicans. I don't know what is going to happen but what I can assure you of is this, they won't be trying to pass an energy bill like the Democrats did when they had the chance that Boehner characterized as the "most profound piece of legislation that has come to this floor in the last 100 years".
That is not an exaggeration and it would of made the failure of Obamacare look like chicken feed. Fortunately it died in the Senate and this is very important which leads me to the point. What most people do not realize is that much of what has been done under the Obama administration that he considers accomplishments was done unilaterally without the support of Congress including a lot of environmental policy. There is no permanency and if need be his legacy will be erased and it will be no ones fault but his own. Obama is famous for the quote"I have a pen and I have a phone." ...Well guess what, Trump has his own pen and phone. Most of what he has done can simply slip into oblivion with a wave of Trump's pen.
Jobs lost in coal and capital investment will be replaced by jobs and capital investment in renewables industry.
You are going to replace jobs that average about $80K nationally with some guy sweeping a warehouse floor filled with solar panels made in China. Ironically manufactured with electric primarily derived from coal and effectively subsidized by the US taxpayer.